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Posted on Sat, Aug 04, 2007 17:01

I'm truly PISSED at some of the things that are allowed to go on in the name of Islam, and that the ummah is perceived to be complicit in these atrocities. For instance, the Taliban recently kidnapped a group of Korean missionaries and have even killed two. Why hasn't the Ummah STRONGLY condemned this act of terror and demanded the prompt release of these people? These are not soldiers who mujahideen are compelled to fight. They are innocent civilians, guests who travelled to Afghanistan to provide aid to the people! This is how they are repaid? I just finished reading a memoir of a remarkable young lady, Mende Nazer. She is a Sudanese woman whose village (among others) was raided by Arab militia. In the raid, villages were pillaged, she and others were raped, people were brutally slaughtered, and families torn apart. As a young child of twelve, she was sold into slavery by her fellow 'Muslim' brothers, with the Sudanese gov't playing an active role. She was enslaved by a 'Muslim' Arab family for seven years. These 'Muslims' tortured her, denied her freedom of religion, and degraded her because she is a Black Nuba woman. She was sent to toil in London, to her master's sister, and eventually escaped. Through it all, this young woman retained her dignity, humanity, and Muslim faith. What's sad is that these filthy acts are STILL being carried out, more recently in Darfur. Hundreds of thousands are forced into slavery in Sudan, yet the ummah says nothing. I am DISGUSTED by these vile acts carried out in the name of Islam. Fellow Muslims to this day are suffering at the hands of other Muslims. 'Muslims' are terrorising others yet we stand by and do and say NOTHING? Incidents like 9/11, the London attacks, and Taliban hostage crisis, and rampant oppression, killing, and racism against fellow brothers and sisters and others leaves me sickened. As much as we whine and blame the West, IT'S TIME FOR A TRUE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION. SAY 'ENOUGH' TO THESE MONSTERS


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Posted on Thu, Aug 30, 2007 04:32

Its not unusual if we observe a muslim lie, cheat or hurt another fellow muslim. However majority of us blindly criticise western nation.Is not the fact that faith is used for bad pupose for rationalising terror, criticising blindly others with reference of God. Being Muslim means lot of responsibilty and atleast in our own society we should behave in manner so that others benefit and in the last and least we should not hurt others by any of our activities or behaviour. Definitely GOD will be happy with us.


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Posted on Wed, Aug 15, 2007 04:51

talib: well Africa as whole into economical crisis,political crisis,lack of health care etc,its Arabs r not responsible for it,where were this UN reports or peacekeeper when more then million people have died in Rwanda,Iraq & where were you? The conversation wasn't about Africa; it was about Sudan, in which Arabs are responsible. Where was I? I was a child, but best believe I heard about it. We donated money through our church (when we didn't have ANYTHING) for anti-war and poverty causes when most people didn't know or care about Rwanda. UN do nothing to stop the aggression of stronger,towards the weaker so why would a person with normel mind would belive its reports? The VICTIMS are speaking out; I have no reason to believe that they would lie. If they are liars, then so are the Palestinians, so are the Iraqis, and so are the Indian Muslim victims of genocide. its so easy talk about hadith & sunnah online or with your belly full. With respect, brother, who are you to assume what my economic status is? My belly might be 'full' now, because I believed in Allah and made a way for myself. I know what's it's like to grow up without food for days at a time, having to stretch out a small bag of rice or a package of ground beef for weeks, or having to divide a 39 cent pack of ramen between four people for your ONLY meal, and STILL I'm grateful to Allah Ta'Ala. but ask a palestinian,those who get killed in front of each other every day without anyreason,how easy is to show patence or have it? No one said it would be easy. However, that's what separates us with religion from us without religion. We exercise our patience because ALLAH COMMANDS US TO. So what about the Palestinians? The Prophet and his companions had it WAY worse than they do, and they managed to retain their religion and humanity. Muslims are being slaughtered just as much by EACH OTHER and we need to end it. That's what my post intended to address. Stop the blame game.


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Posted on Wed, Aug 15, 2007 04:30

what u mean by our self?r u involve in this extremism?r u responsible for the action of those so called Muslim extremist?do u have to take the responsibility of those who may b wrong or may b don't understand?i mean when a Christian blow up the building or drop bombs or occupy other countries,you go around an ask other nonmuslims,you r responsible or take responsibility?this apologetic behavior or weak attitude of Muslims,confuses me,when it has nothing to do with them or they not supposed to b answer able,i mean just like Germans today r not responsible or answer able for Hitler agenda,or American r not responsible for bush agenda,why you & for what?do u control other people actions? I mean 'ourselves' because we are ONE Ummah, and like it or not, these 'extremists' represent us worldwide. Christians don't have defend their religion against extremism because the world sees the face of benevolent Christianity as a norm, unlike Islam. The problem is that Islamic extremism is NOT perceived as a fringe minority. It's not 'apologetic behavior' to SPEAK OUT and STAND UP to idiots who tarnish our image and go against everything our religion stands for. The only people exhibiting apologetic behavior are people who continually justify what these people are doing and offer excuses and blames to EVERYONE except the Ummah for allowing this to go on. Americans ARE responsible for the actions of Bush because they overwhelmingly elected him for a second term. The Ummah IS responsible for Islamic terror because we a) are cowed into not saying anything about it, and/or b) glorify or allow HUGE numbers of people to glorify those who are involved, i.e. Bin Laden, Hamas, the Taliban. If you have children who behave in a disrespectful manner and terrorise the neighbourhood, people aren't going to say, "Oh well, they're 'individuals'". They're going to say, "What a trashy family." This is the reality that the Ummah is facing today. Terrorists make us A...


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Posted on Tue, Aug 14, 2007 07:55

american4islam said:It is because human rights advocates, the UN, and economic experts say so, that's why. Sudan was listed as the country with the lowest security index in 2006, followed by Iraq, then Somalia, then Afghanistan. Factors taken into account were security, economic growth, political stability, and access to education, health care, etc. Also, plenty of people are 'speaking about' Sudan right now, just not in the Arab world because they are either in denial or complicit in the violence plaguing Sudan. well Africa as whole into economical crisis,political crisis,lack of health care etc,its Arabs r not responsible for it,where were this UN reports or peacekeeper when more then million people have died in Rwanda,Iraq & where were you?this UN do nothing to stop the aggression of stronger,towards the weaker so why would a person with normel mind would belive its reports?thats one of the main reason frustration & aggression is growing in this world,when institution r not working properly.its so easy talk about hadith & sunnah online or with your belly full.but ask a palestinian,those who get killed in front of each other every day without anyreason,how easy is to show patence or have it?isreal is made just for jewish also backed by relegious jew & christian scholors that god give this land to children of isreal so palestinian have to go,where?where ever but not isreal.pakistan,bangladesh & india was made on name of relegion cz they cannot live togather,muslim slaugter cow & hindu respect her as mother?so they needed as seprate home for personal freedom,where ever was majority of muslim become pakistan & whereever more hindus,became india,still today in gujrat india,more then 3000 muslim were killed & burn alive & police had govt orders,not to interfear,so u can imagine what muslim people as minority going through,thanks god we have seprate pakistan & bangladesh today.we already enough fitnah among ummah & am not going to add more by arguing with you sister.


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Posted on Tue, Aug 14, 2007 07:09

Like I said before, we can't control what the kafirun do, but we can control ourselves. How are we to expect people to believe that we are a religion of peace when we are complicit to or carry out violence in the name of Allah (SWT)? what u mean by our self?r u involve in this extremism?r u responsible for the action of those so called Muslim extremist?do u have to take the responsibility of those who may b wrong or may b don't understand?i mean when a Christian blow up the building or drop bombs or occupy other countries,you go around an ask other nonmuslims,you r responsible or take responsibility?this apologetic behavior or weak attitude of Muslims,confuses me,when it has nothing to do with them or they not supposed to b answer able,i mean just like Germans today r not responsible or answer able for Hitler agenda,or American r not responsible for bush agenda,why you & for what?do u control other people actions?


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Posted on Fri, Aug 10, 2007 15:26


i want taliban to relesed koreans but how can we expect mercy after killings? We should bestow mercy because that's what Allah (SWT) commanded. The Holy Qur'an says, "If you punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently. Your patience is not except through the help of Allah" (al-Nahl 16:126-127) In one Hadith the Prophet (SAWS) said that Allah (SWT) has commanded him about nine things. One of them he mentioned was "that I forgive those who do wrong to me." The Prophet (SAWS) was the most forgiving person. He was ever ready to forgive his enemies. When he went to Ta'if to preach the message of Allah (SWT), its people mistreated him. They abused him and hit him with stones. He left the city humiliated and wounded. When he took shelter under a tree, the angel of Allah (SWT) visited him and told him that Allah (SWT) sent him to destroy the people of Ta'if because of their sin of mistreating their Prophet. The Prophet (SAWS) prayed to Allah (SWT) to save the people of Ta'if, because what they did was out of their ignorance. He said, "O Allah, guide these people, because they did not know what they were doing." When he entered the city of Makkah after the victory, the Prophet (SAWS) had in front of him some of his staunchest enemies. Those who fought him for many years, persecuted his followers and killed many of them. Now he had full power to do whatever he wanted to punish them for their crimes. It is reported that the Prophet (SAWS) asked them, "What do you think I shall do to you now?" They pleaded for mercy. The Prophet (SAWS) said, "Today I shall say to you what Yusuf [referring to Prophet Yusuf (AS) as mentioned in the Qur'an, Yusuf 12:92] said to his brothers, "No blame on you today. Go, you are all free." Soon they all came and accepted Islam, alhamdulillah, at his hands.


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Posted on Fri, Aug 10, 2007 15:10


it explain better then that,but you cannot undersatnd that cz you r confuseing innocent people with words like, arab, muslims, islamic, muslim extremist, islamic extremist, fundamentalist, extreme quranic verses, just like rap artist, rap about sex, drug & violence, first of all in afganistan,we don't know who kidnapped korean women,its not hard to have 5 people with ak47 with ladies on the tape,second same taliban,when they were in power,have released a british women jurnalist without even hurting her,in result she is muslim today & preach about islam all over the world. This can be summed up in one word. EXCUSES. You are continually rationalising what these people are doing, and it's wrong brother. I have a perfect understanding of what is going on, and I will repeat what I said earlier: AMERICA ISN'T TELLING MUSLIMS TO ENGAGE IN TERRORISM. Like I said before, we have to take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming the West.
isreal is made on the name of relegion,bush is forcing its extreme evengelical belive & he spekas in public about crusade & all that crap,that relegious extremisim or on the name of relegion have started way before 9/11 by non muslims & still going on but u r on the same track,why?mayb intention deep down might b the same. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to convey here. What 'track' am I on exactly? What 'intention' do I have deep down, oh pray tell? You say that Israel was founded on religion; so was Pakistan. You say that Bush is pushing an extremist Christian view; so are the terrorists. What exactly is your point? Like I said before, we can't control what the kafirun do, but we can control ourselves. How are we to expect people to believe that we are a religion of peace when we are complicit to or carry out violence in the name of Allah (SWT)? Please drop the paranoid conspiracy theories and excuses and address the issue. It doesn't matter why or how these people act this way, it's still HARAM.


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Posted on Fri, Aug 10, 2007 14:48

how its far more volatile then iraq, palestine, bosnia, rawanda? when no one speak about them like this
It is because human rights advocates, the UN, and economic experts say so, that's why. Sudan was listed as the country with the lowest security index in 2006, followed by Iraq, then Somalia, then Afghanistan. Factors taken into account were security, economic growth, political stability, and access to education, health care, etc. Also, plenty of people are 'speaking about' Sudan right now, just not in the Arab world because they are either in denial or complicit in the violence plaguing Sudan.
we r talking a area where people r just in one night went through violence & start ending up in refugees camp,just like palestinian from palestine, one morning were forced on gun point to leave the palestine cz civilized british decide that land 4 jews cz god have given them already.today same palestinian r living in refugees camps in there own home land,you know the details better,about sudan some even said,black men came in night & kicked other black man out,saying u r black,

Brother, these things did NOT happen in one night. Sudanese rebels have been fighting the gov't there for independence for decades now. The brutality of it all is starting to outrage the world community, and people won't stand for it anymore. The gov't and the militia are ARAB run and controlled. (Being Arab has nothing to do with looks; it's not a race, it's a culture.) The Nuba, Dinka, and other tribes that are victims in South Sudan and Darfur are NOT culturally, or even physically, the same as the Janjaweed, or the people that enslave them. The perpetrators are ALL Arab, not Black African. All of that is irrelevant anyway. I'm hearing excuses from you yet again. It needs to stop. Please acknowledge that what these people are doing is evil and against Islam, regardless of who's doing it or why, or we have nothing else to speak on.talibulislam write:


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Posted on Thu, Aug 09, 2007 09:07

how its far more volatile then iraq,palestine,bosnia,rawanda?when no one speak about them like this,2 private jurnalist went to diffrent refugees camps,they were the same people all over,we r not talking about whole sudan here,sudan is big countery,have diffrent people just like iraq,we r talking a area where people r just in one night went through violence & start ending up in refugees camp,just like palestinian from palestine, one morning were forced on gun point to leave the palestine cz civilized british decide that land 4 jews cz god have given them already.today same palestinian r living in refugees camps in there own home land,you know the details better,about sudan some even said,black men came in night & kicked other black man out,saying u r black,real problem is,they discover the big resources of oil where all these refugees used to live,just like a hungery person ask every one for help but they refused to help him,suddenly he find diamond in trash can insted of food,what u think they all would do to him?it explain better then that,but you cannot undersatnd that cz you r confuseing innocent people with words like,arab,muslims,islamic,muslim extremist,islamic extremist,fundamentalist,extreme quranic verses,just like rap artist,rap about sex,drug & violence,isreal is made on the name of relegion,bush is forcing its extreme evengelical belive & he spekas in public about crusade & all that crap,that relegious extremisim or on the name of relegion have started way before 9/11 by non muslims & still going on but u r on the same track,why?mayb intention deep down might b the same.first of all in afganistan,we don't know who kidnapped korean women,its not hard to have 5 people with ak47 with ladies on the tape,second same taliban,when they were in power,have released a british women jurnalist without even hurting her,in result she is muslim today & preach about islam all over the world.i want taliban to relesed koreans but how can we expect mercy after killings?


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Posted on Thu, Aug 09, 2007 09:00

Assalamualaikum....hi all.how are you.. ...yes agree with that too. when a person says i'm ISLAM but does he/she act like the way ISLAM's does?..the way i see it those action they performed surely not ISLAM it's not ISLAM. ISLAM is rahmatan lilalamin...came by peace and gone by peace...what they performed is for their only importance or groups and ISLAM name is embed for their purpose. even though in a war, in ISLAM only defense ISLAM never taught to offense, to defense in order to survive and the rights of living. These previlige only could be done when ISLAM got the first strike. I was smiling when i read F.C's comment if he only knows of what the Jews have done in order to hurt ISLAM of in anyway?


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Posted on Wed, Aug 08, 2007 14:49

Re: talibulislam write:
so far million Iraq's have died already,one million mean another Holocaust,so many deaths should b enough to revert him back

Another thing that makes me angry is when people trump up the issues in Iraq and Palestine to fuel hatred of the West. While I feel for my brothers and sisters in both countries, trust me, the situation in Sudan is far more volatile and dangerous than the situation in Iraq, and that's been determined by all economic and security factors. Also, that's MUSLIMS killing Muslims, and I don't hear ANY Muslim nations condemning it. One Arab woman even told me that the Jews are funding the violence in Darfur! I begged to differ, and she got angry and spewed racial slurs at me in Arabic, and called me a Zionist collaborator! What I am hearing from you, as is typical, are EXCUSES and BLAMING THE WEST. We all know the 'Great Satan' and his role; that wasn't my point. We can't control what the kafirun do. We can control ourselves as Muslims. That goes to my question: why aren't Muslims on a WIDE SCALE standing up and saying that modern-day slavery and terrorism is haram, and taking action to stop it? The fact that these people are hurting innocent people and KILLING OTHER MUSLIMS should be enough for every Muslim government to start the sanctioning themselves. Your post is the epitome of the main issue in the Ummah today. EXCUSES and no ACTION.


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Posted on Wed, Aug 08, 2007 14:42

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sister they kidnaped missionaries,who were there to preach christianity,now we all know in normel sense,you cannot imagine going in a place,where taliban killed you or if not then American bomb you,we have seen interviews conducted by western reporter in taliban territory,they feel more secure interviewing them but scared of air strike by US
Why are you excusing the fact that INNOCENT people have been kidnapped and killed? The Taliban is wrong, point blank, and people should stand up for these hostages and condemn what these terrorists are doing.
now darfur crisis r not as simple,people b dieing hungry & on top of that,America imposed sanctions on them,in response sudanis govt give oil contract to Chinese companies & there peace keeping troops, Arab militia b killing African,now its very dumb to think its Arab against African,when they all speak same language & they all have same color

Wrong. They aren't the 'same colour' and they aren't even the same culture. Anyone who honestly thinks that a Nuba woman has the same language, culture, or even colour as an Arab Sudanese has no knowledge of Sudan, and frankly, shouldn't speak on the subject. Furthermore, America didn't put guns in Arabs' hands and tell them to go shoot, rape, and enslave people. They are 100% right in sanctioning Sudan. I only wish that Muslim governments had the moral backbone to do so.


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Posted on Tue, Aug 07, 2007 21:25

sister they kidnaped missionaries,who were there to preach christianity,now we all know in normel sense,you cannot imagine going in a place,where taliban killed you or if not then American bomb you,we have seen interviews conducted by western reporter in taliban territory,they feel more secure interviewing them but scared of air strike by US,now darfur crisis r not as simple,people b dieing hungry & on top of that,America imposed sanctions on them,in response sudanis govt give oil contract to Chinese companies & there peace keeping troops,Arab militia b killing African,now its very dumb to think its Arab against African,when they all speak same language & they all have same color,fact is,its international politics beyond our understanding just like fiction name 9/11,they discover big resources of oil in a poor country,u think u not going to hear clashes among the same people,backed by some out sider interests?as far former convert is concerned,he become Jewish by seeing all this,well Muslims r dieing more then anybody else in this world,just by sanction & American allied forces bombing on Iraq,so far million Iraq's have died already,one million mean another Holocaust,so many deaths should b enough to revert him back(:


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Posted on Tue, Aug 07, 2007 18:01

Re: FormerConvert write: Salam Sister american4islam Thank you for these comments, this is one of many reasons why I left Islam, and returned back to my Jewish Faith.

Ha! Jews are certainly no better. Look at the financial support of the South Africa and Zimbabwe regimes, and the oppression of the Palestinian people.


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Posted on Tue, Aug 07, 2007 01:05

Salaam, I have had same kind of feelings.. I hate when people use islam to something what is NOTHING about islam. Islam is peace, love and boeying Allah. Do they obey Allah? Did Allah ask someone to kidnap people and kill them? NO. And we all know, when the Day of Judgement shall come nobody is in safe. Specially those who don't walk their path straight.. I feel sometimes also sick while reading news..and not only sick.. For love to Allah this ummah should NOW do stopping to stop this unfairness what they are doing. It is our duty to stop them.. This is not what Allah wanted..


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Posted on Mon, Aug 06, 2007 16:06

Salam Sister american4islam Thank you for these comments, this is one of many reasons why I left Islam, and returned back to my Jewish Faith.


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