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Posted on Fri, Jan 04, 2008 20:22

Dear Muslim Friend, We have discussed together some very important issues which touch upon the origins of the rituals and beliefs found in the religion of Islam. The burning question that confronted us was whether Islam was created out pre-existing pagan rituals and beliefs or was it revealed from heaven. After studying the standard reference works on Islam, we must conclude that the rituals and beliefs of Islam are clearly earthly in origin, i.e. they were not brought down by Gabriel to Muhammad. The question of origins is the key to whether Islam is true or false. Your willingness to research this issue is an indication that you really do care about the Truth. Thank you for caring. The Problem Of Sin While the issue of the origins of Islam is an intellectual question that can be answered only by research into the historical evidence, there is another issue that confronts us all. Regardless of your religion, there is the inescapable fact that we have all failed to live up to our religious convictions. Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc, it doesn't really matter. We have all violated whatever moral standards we have adopted. This means we have to find a way to be forgiven or cleansed of our sins. Why? If you believe in an afterlife and that there is a hell to escape and a paradise to gain, how can you gain entrance into heaven? Two Problems We All Face Our problem is twofold. First, our hearts are prone to evil. Thus we find it very easy to feel lust, jealousy, hatred, anger, and greed. Even when we try to be good, our own heart will betray us. Question: Do you admit that your heart is prone to evil? Yes____ No___ Second, God is keeping a record of all our evil thoughts, words and deeds. He will hold us accountable for these evils on the Day of Judgment. On that Day we will have to face the reality of our own failures and sins. Question: Do you recognize that you will be held accountable for all your sins on the Day of Judgment? Yes____ No____ How can you change your heart and clear your record in heaven? In order to come before a holy God with acceptance, you have to do these two things. Well, how are you going to do them? Will Good Works Do The Job? Some people think that if they do good deeds that this will change their hearts and clear their record. But can good works really change anyone's heart? We tried it and found that no matter how much good we did, evil was still present in our hearts. Question: Haven't you found this true of your own heart? Yes___ No___ No matter how many good deeds you perform, your heart still has evil thoughts and motives. No, doing good deeds will never stop your heart from thinking or feeling evil things. The same problem confronts us if we think that we can erase the divine record of our sins by doing good deeds. How many good deeds are necessary to balance out our bad deeds? It all depends on whether you are thinking of the evil that God sees or the evil we see in ourselves. When we look at our own lives, we all tend to cut ourselves some slack. We like to think that we are not as bad as some and better than most. We don't come off so bad as long as we compare ourselves to other people. But what if we compare ourselves to a holy and righteous Deity? If we think in terms of all the sins that an all-knowing Deity sees and hears us do, we do not come off so well. Our sins are like the sand on the seashore- too many to count! Question: Can doing a few good deeds really clear away the mountain of sin that is against us? Yes___ No___ Question: Haven't you found it true that even when you do a good deed, you had evil motives such as pride? Yes___ No___ Question: Can evil motives cancel out a good deed? Yes___ No___ When we give money to be seen of men, this cancels out the good deed. Thus good deeds will never change your heart or clear your record.


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Posted on Mon, Dec 01, 2008 19:39

Your reply tells me that you are no longer a Christian...or much less..never have been, and you do not understand the scriptures. You have a few partial facts and a lot of presuppositions that are based on tradition and not scripture. The Nicene Creed was a group of scholars that got together, many of them trying to promote tradition above scripture and looked at the trinity. Christ is one with the Father, but Christ did become a 3rd dimensional creature, to take care of our sins. Here are some verses , hope they will help you understand: 1 John 5:7,8 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. John 8:19 Then said they unto him, where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth,, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Allah did not create Adam and Eve , nor the universe.


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Posted on Sun, Nov 09, 2008 14:56

First let me say that I was raised a Christian up until I was 27. When I was younger (12) I would often question the teacher in sunday school about this very subject. My question to you would be, if Jesus is who you say he is, 1. Who was he praying too? 2. How can Jesus be the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? 3. There were bibles before the KJV that didnt teach Jesus the son of god or god himself. You need to read a book called the learned Men that centeres around king james and the retranslation of the bible. You may also want to check out the Nicene Creed where they tell you how they incorporated the trinity. This is documented history. Allah created jesus from a clot as a sign to mankind, Allah created Adam then Eve without partners. In order for you to find truth in your own book you have to read Torah and Quran. The Quran is the book prophesied in the bible that will be sealed, no one has corrupted it since its inception but the bible? We already know


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Posted on Sun, May 18, 2008 12:57

This scholar you are referring to must have not been a true Christian in the begin with, he just claimed to be an evangelist, but doesn't have the things of God in mind. 1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits wether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2 Peter 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Jeremiah 23:36 And the burden of the Lord shall ye mention no more; for every man's word shall be his burden: for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God. Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


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Posted on Fri, May 16, 2008 10:09

Quoting: Originally posted by godschild Like I said the KJV is accurate. But there is the NIV which has missing and changed verses, this one is corrupted, they are being printed by people who don't want others to know that Jesus IS God.check out Acts 8:37...it doesn't exist i NIV version, amongst some others.

Neither the KJV nor the NIV are accurate. Again, refer to the book I referenced. The scholar goes into great detail about the additions made to the Bible by the scribes during the Middle Ages, before the advent of the printing press. Some were intentional and some incidental.


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Posted on Sun, Apr 20, 2008 15:36

Like I said the KJV is accurate. But there is the NIV which has missing and changed verses, this one is corrupted, they are being printed by people who don't want others to know that Jesus IS God.check out Acts 8:37...it doesn't exist i NIV version, amongst some others.


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Posted on Fri, Apr 18, 2008 18:55

Quoting: Originally posted by godschild If you should know. The KJV is THE only accurate Bible, most of the others ARE corrupted, have missing and changed verses. That was done to mislead ppl who want to know more about Jesus. The Bible was written by several men who WERE inspired by God. Im not pushing you into believing wether you believe that Jesus is truly God, I know He is, but mark my words when He comes back. You WILL see and KNOW that Jesus IS God.

Wrong. The KJV version is one of the most corrupt, as any serious Biblical scholar will tell you. Just read the book I mentioned, which goes into great length about the KJV and others.


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Posted on Sun, Mar 30, 2008 15:54

If you should know. The KJV is THE only accurate Bible, most of the others ARE corrupted, have missing and changed verses. That was done to mislead ppl who want to know more about Jesus. The Bible was written by several men who WERE inspired by God. Im not pushing you into believing wether you believe that Jesus is truly God, I know He is, but mark my words when He comes back. You WILL see and KNOW that Jesus IS God.


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Posted on Thu, Feb 07, 2008 11:22

Quoting: Originally posted by godschild Dear Muslim Friend, We have discussed together some very important issues which touch upon the origins of the rituals and beliefs found in the religion of Islam. The burning question that confronted us was whether Islam was created out pre-existing pagan rituals and beliefs or was it revealed from heaven. After studying the standard reference works on Islam, we must conclude that the rituals and beliefs of Islam are clearly earthly in origin, i.e. they were not brought down by Gabriel to Muhammad. The question of origins is the key to whether Islam is true or false. Your willingness to research this issue is an indication that you really do care about the Truth. Thank you for caring. The Problem Of Sin While the issue of the origins of Islam is an intellectual question that can be answered only by research into the historical evidence, there is another issue that confronts us all. Regardless of your religion, there is the inescapable fact that we have all failed to live up to our religious convictions. Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc, it doesn't really matter. We have all violated whatever moral standards we have adopted. This means we have to find a way to be forgiven or cleansed of our sins. Why? If you believe in an afterlife and that there is a hell to escape and a paradise to gain, how can you gain entrance into heaven? Two Problems We All Face Our problem is twofold. First, our hearts are prone to evil. Thus we find it very easy to feel lust, jealousy, hatred, anger, and greed. Even when we try to be good, our own heart will betray us. Question: Do you admit that your heart is prone to evil? Yes____ No___ Second, God is keeping a record of all our evil thoughts, words and deeds. He will hold us accountable for these evils on the Day of Judgment. On that Day we will have to face the reality of our own failures and sins. Question: Do you recognize that you will be held accountable for all your sins on the Day of Judgment? Yes____ No____ How can you change your heart and clear your record in heaven? In order to come before a holy God with acceptance, you have to do these two things. Well, how are you going to do them? Will Good Works Do The Job? Some people think that if they do good deeds that this will change their hearts and clear their record. But can good works really change anyone's heart? We tried it and found that no matter how much good we did, evil was still present in our hearts. Question: Haven't you found this true of your own heart? Yes___ No___ No matter how many good deeds you perform, your heart still has evil thoughts and motives. No, doing good deeds will never stop your heart from thinking or feeling evil things. The same problem confronts us if we think that we can erase the divine record of our sins by doing good deeds. How many good deeds are necessary to balance out our bad deeds? It all depends on whether you are thinking of the evil that God sees or the evil we see in ourselves. When we look at our own lives, we all tend to cut ourselves some slack. We like to think that we are not as bad as some and better than most. We don't come off so bad as long as we compare ourselves to other people. But what if we compare ourselves to a holy and righteous Deity? If we think in terms of all the sins that an all-knowing Deity sees and hears us do, we do not come off so well. Our sins are like the sand on the seashore- too many to count! Question: Can doing a few good deeds really clear away the mountain of sin that is against us? Yes___ No___ Question: Haven't you found it true that even when you do a good deed, you had evil motives such as pride? Yes___ No___ Question: Can evil motives cancel out a good deed? Yes___ No___ When we give money to be seen of men, this cancels out the good deed. Thus good deeds will never change your heart or clear your record.

This is TOO long, misinformed about Islam, and above all, BORING. Sorry, I'm not buying it. If anyone has any doubt as to whether the Bible is corrupted by man, just read 'Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why'by Bart Ehrman. He says the modern Bible was shaped by mistakes and intentional alterations that were made by early scribes who copied the texts. In the introduction to Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman writes that when he came to understand this process 30 years ago, it shifted his way of thinking about the Bible. He had been raised as an Evangelical Christian.


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