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Posted on Tue, Oct 31, 2006 03:12

All religions of world,ARTIST apoets and nonscientific intellectual and people all around in world irrespective of cultural and geographic differences have related emotion sentiments and human behaviour with HEART. Unfortunately there is no scientific backing for these sentiments with heart. Even medical science has related some parts of brain like limbic system and hyphothalamus for human behaviour, emations and sentiments. It is strange even educated people relate heart with such feeling. In recent times doc have successfully transplanted heart of one person into another.In Few cases a womans heart is being transplanted into man. How do u feel one man will behave after receiving heart ofa female into his chest. Stupid fearful sentimental.............


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Posted on Sun, Dec 10, 2006 04:30

HEY I AM STILL HOPING SOME WILL COME AND SAY WHAT IS TRUE. I MEAN TO RELATE EMOTION WITH HEART IS HONEST PRACTICE OR A MISTAKE WE ALL ARE CARRYING FOR CENTURIES?


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Posted on Tue, Nov 28, 2006 03:42

assalamo alaikum I still think science and religion are two separate things and both cannot be mixed.The basis of religion is faith but the basis of science is evidence. A person who believe in GOD is able to see HIS signs while studying even the structure of DNA. But when talking about existence of GOD one religious person cannot bring HARD evidence so that everybody in this world will believe in one and only one GOD.The only thing one can do is endless arguments and many will not be convinced even after his life long arguements. Before the advancement of biotechnology doctors were using pigs Insulin for treating humans suffering from diabetes. Interestingly it is pigs insulin which was very similar to human insulin. Many research are still done on pig because its closest to human among of all animals. It can be a proof of their possible origine from humans. There are plenty of example where we realise that the teaching of Islam is consistent with scientific findings.For example it has been seen that males undergone circumscison in his first year do not develop cancer of penis,his wife is more protected against cancer of cervix, many sexually transmitted disease including HIV has less chance of transmission. Lots has been written about advantages of fasting in the month of ramadhan and today its documented facts that calori restriction increases the life of a person and also some what protective in heart diseases and BP.Its true but what is whole truth is more people come to hospital with pain abdomen, gastritis and even life threatening peptic ulcer perforation.There are many example where religious teaching are against scietific findings. So I think its not scientific reason GOD has thought before gifting us the roza in ramadhan and salats or cicumscision etc. THE AIM OF OBSERVING FASTING IS FOR SPIRITUAL REASON not for getting some scientific benefits.


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Posted on Thu, Nov 23, 2006 09:15

Assalamualaikum, Yes, brothers and sisters you are all correct, by facts, it's not easy to answer most of science issues and lots still unanswered even by scientists. Our bodies are so unique and complex, that is how Allah created human bodies and ALL HIS CREATIONS. Allah is the Most Knowledgable and humans knowledge is so limited........ Not only about human bodies, but a lot of thing we could not answer, about all Allah's creations.........but Allah Knows everything and all the reasonings....... Even scientists, their knowledge is limited, and their research could possible to make mistakes.......some may be successful, some may be incorrect...... Science could not be separated from Islam, because Islam is perfect and completed........ from politics, science, social,universe, planets, earth, geography, history, nutrients, spiritual etc, etc, everything is in Islam........ Science is also in the Quran. So we could not separate science from Islam. Humans job is just to dig the knowledge and make research, but how deep we dig the knowledge, our knowledge is still limited........ Last time, Darwin Theory claims that humans originated from Apes. But now, modern science reject Darwin Theory. Now, modern science claims that every individual has his own DNA codings. Research now shows that apes and humans have different DNA codings. So Darwin Theory, if today science still accept his theory, may be some scientists could try experiments to transplants apes' organs into human bodies. Than they want to see if the humans may behave like apes......LOL...... May be should suggest this stupid scientist Darwin to open the Holy Quran, if Prophet Adam, the first human created by Allah, originated from ape........LOL....... The Holy Quran states clearly the creations of Prophet Adam the first human created by Allah....... Thats the facts, humans are still humans, we are not perfect, and our knowledge are limited......... ABOUT CREATIONS Words of Allah in Holy Quran (36:36), Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge. Wallahu a'lam ALLAH KNOWS BEST.


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Posted on Thu, Nov 23, 2006 04:53

Well brain transplant! I think it can result in situation as samma has said in last . I am loving osama! But untill now there is no progress on possibilty of brain transplant and i think its dead idea. However there is scintific evidence that brain do play important role determining our behaviours and emotions. Have not u heard people saying when u see a person behaving in bizzare strange manner MAD, MENTALLY ABNORMAL etc etc? There do exist difference in brain of male and female and with invention of new imaging technics like PET and SPECT SCAN TECHNICS, scientist are able to deliniate more finer details. There are many examples when a women try to change sex and become a male or vice versa. It has been observed that certain part of brain undergo gradual changes with time as hormone therapy is started and continued. Nurfitrah for u I want to say that its brain who decide to do any act like stealing killing or doing any good or bad thing. Human ORGAN LIKE HAND LEG or body just follow the command from brain. But this is true only for voluntary actvities like eating bitting or stealing etc. There is little control of brain on organs like heart which beat autonomously(independently). Lastly as i think science and religion are two separate things. Both cannot be mixed. Scince is based on evidence, logic and open arguments so it changes with time when some one else come with other ideas with compelling evidences.In contrast religion has no need of strong compelling evidence or arguements or human logic. After all human brain is so small in comparison of this universe and with all advancement in science, scientist have only small (but not negligible)fraction of knowledge and information. However these are just my ideas and more discussion can put more light. But the question still unsolved is how wise is the idea of linking our emotions with heart when all scientific eveidence deny this link!


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Posted on Tue, Nov 21, 2006 04:10

waalaikum salam sister Nurfitrah In the physical form (whether larger or smaller, more or less folds, etc) i do not dispute that there may be no difference between the male and female brains. But i mentioned **tendencies*** **Even medical science has related some parts of brain like limbic system and hyphothalamus for human behaviour, emations and sentiments***, so if the transplant takes place, wonder what happens to the previous owner's traces of past memories and behavioural triats? Anyway, i am no doctor, just stuff i gather from books. Maybe there are experts in this field who can comment scientifically...


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Posted on Tue, Nov 21, 2006 03:28

Assalam o Alaikum..Every one This is really a nice topic to deal with. What I think is that...Your brain is the centre of your common every day life thinkings and activities.....while your heart is your spiritual Centre You should not bring Science in between....because science is still progressing.....what is possible today ....was not possible in the past..... So you never know whats going to happen in future. Because from Science point of view heart is just a pumping organ. Actually heart and brain are very important parts of life and without both of them life is not possible. Otherwise we can do a simple experiment.....you can speak ok....but if you dont have your tongue....then you cant speak even if you have all the knowlege in your mind...... But unlukcily we cant perform such an experiment with our brain and heart....LOL.... May be you have understood my point....but anyways this is really a nice issue for discussion Fee Amman Allah...


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Posted on Mon, Nov 20, 2006 08:43

Assalamualaikum, Brother Snowfall, I think more or less I already answered your question, but may be you don't fully understand my explaination....... But before I elaborate, I would like to comment a bit about sister Fatima last paragraph...... So far I never heard that the brain of male and female has differences, only that I know brain which has more folds, may be the person has more intelligence. I do agree if the reproduction organs have differences between both genders because they produce different sex hormones.......LOL.... Brother snowfall between heart, feelings, emotions, pyscology, mental, more or less they are all related to one another...... Regarding about the Sayings of the Prophet, about heart...... the words 'disease' and 'body' the statements are not scientific but more to SPIRITUAL or behaviour........ The word 'disease' is something like bad......and the word 'body' is other parts of the body such as legs, hands, mouth, sex organs, eyes, etc........and the word 'healthy' is something like good intention....... We don't forget INTENTION relate to heart.......intention is inside the heart, nobody knows except Allah....... Emotions may come first, than follow by intentions, then followed by reactions....... Every reactions needs intention.....and every reactions need other parts of the body such as mouth, legs, hands, eyes....... How do I relate the Hadith made by Prophet Muhammad about heart..... Examples: If a person steals a wallet, the parts of body that involved are hands, legs and eyes....... If a person hit a another person, the parts of body involved, are legs, hands and eyes or even mouth....... If a person gossips another person, the parts of body, involved are mouth.....etc...... If a person rape another person, the parts of body involved are hands, legs, eyes and sex organ...... If a person bribe another, the parts of body involved are hands, legs, eyes......... If a person be cruel to animal and humans, the parts of body involved, legs, hands, eyes....... There are more examples....... But as a conclusion what we could say, the sins done by humans, involved emotions which involved heart followed by intention and followed by other parts of the body such as legs, hands, mouth etc........ So did the opposite way if the intention is good, examples, Doing charity, helping the needy and poor, advice one another, giving donations, helping others in whatever way that he could, all these have good intentions, which involved emotions (heart) and other parts of the body, such as legs, hands, mouth, eyes....... So the statements made by Prophet Muhammad, the words healthy, diseased, body........are more to SPIRITUAL OR BEHAVIOUR, rather than scientific....... Wallahu a'lam ALLAH KNOWS BEST.


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Posted on Sun, Nov 19, 2006 03:15

Thank you nurfitrah .You have complemented with some evedence based facts. But the basic question wut heart is still unanswered. As u have written our prophet saying heart is a part of flesh. ABOUT HEART The Sayings of the Prophet, There is a piece of flesh in the body. If it is healthy, then the body is healthy. If it is diseased, then the body is diseased. That piece of flesh is the heart. the other basic question is hearts association with feelings and emotions.


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Posted on Fri, Nov 17, 2006 05:45

I agree with Nurfitrah that the HEART is just an organ so noone should worry about feminie/masculine traits deriving from such transplants. The traits and sentiments are actually EMOTIONS and these are not triggered by the Heart organ. The Heart is just a metaphorical term to describe emotions, feelings, sentiments, etc... However, if the brain of the female is transferred to a male or vice versa, then perhaps there is basis to mention about the feminine/masculine tendencies that may occur in the new body!!


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Posted on Wed, Nov 15, 2006 18:14

Assalamualaikum, I think organs are still organs, whether they are transfer from one person to another or female to male or opposite way they still function the same way. They are like 'machine' that works in human bodies. But we forget one thing, the SPIRIT or Roh, this is the thing that will present after we die, even after our bodies will decompose in the earth, decompose by worms in the soils, water etc, etc......... This spirit is the one which will get the punishment or comfort in the grave........after we die...... Behaviour, character, emotions and personality, I think nothing to do with organs whether they are transfer from one body to another body......... Even siblings, with same mother and father, have different characters, personalities...... eventhough they might have the part of blood, genes, DNA from the same parents........ Some factors that could change human characters, emotions, personalties........are knowledge, iman or faith, repentance, environment, way of upbringing, mental awareness, positive and negative thinking..........and the most important RELIGION.......that covers most of the things........ All the above mentioned could change positive to negative or negative to positive......... ABOUT HEART Words of Allah in Holy Quran (13:28), It is the remembrance of Allah that provides tranquility of the hearts. ABOUT HEART The Sayings of the Prophet, There is a piece of flesh in the body. If it is healthy, then the body is healthy. If it is diseased, then the body is diseased. That piece of flesh is the heart. That is why, sometimes we could say, people with kind heart, soft hearted, stone hearted, without heart (no feeling towards others), bad heart, the hurting heart.........more or less all these things have connection with emotions from emotions than gradually became reactions....... Wallahu a'lam ALLAH KNOWS BEST. Servant of Allah.


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Posted on Fri, Nov 03, 2006 03:13

Just forget the science and imagine how a man will behave if womans heart is fit into his body.... It was occasion of press conference and Bush was to deliver a lecture. But he fell down on groud and sustained injuries on face and different body parts. After medical examination doc found some ailment in Bush heart which was incurable by any medicine. So it was decided to change his heart. After much search for a healthy and braveheart , a heart of woman was selected for which doc gave approval as it also matched all medical requirement.Any way this heart was not otherthan one of Osama`s wife. After successful transplant Bush appeared for press conference with all emotional facial marks well expressed and american styled body movements. All journalist were curious and camera well focussed on Bush. Shrugging his shoulders Bush say`s.................... ... "I am loving OSAMA'


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