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Posted on Tue, Jun 20, 2006 23:30

salam safia thanks for the article this wriling dervishis the real thing is being lost as i see it though malevi order has no place in india as chistiya order has full fledge presense in our country though real essence is getting lost in the teachings of jalaluddin rumi may ALLAH guide them



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Posted on Mon, Jun 12, 2006 06:57

Salamu alaykum, I just read this old article from Al-Jazeera and thought about sharing it with all of you.. Subhanallah!!! What is up with sufism???


Features
Dervishes face modern dilemma
By Jonathan Gorvett in Istanbul

Friday 30 July 2004, 17:02 Makka Time, 14:02 GMT


Turkey's famed dervish dancing has never been more publicised:

Famed for their devotion and spirituality, Turkey's whirling dervishes have become something of a local trademark in recent years. But the blaze of publicity has been causing deep debate and division within the dervish community.


Appearing in tourism promotion films and at Eurovision song contests, their distinctive circular dancing has never been more widely publicised.

Some say what has been happening of late is a sign of a new, more broad-based spirituality. But others see it as a commercialised sellout of fundamental principles.

The controversy began when a group of dervishes in Istanbul began holding the sema - the traditional whirling dance - with mixed groups of men and women.

They also began wearing brightly coloured costumes, or tenures, and announced themselves open to all - regardless of religion.

"They have every sort of thing available to them," says Abdulhamit Cakmut of the Mevlana Education and Culture Association.

"They are saying they can drink alcohol, play clarinet ... their leader has an obsession with women. In future, there could be scandals."

For their part, the group, known as the Contemporary Lovers of Mevlana Foundation (EMAV), denies any impropriety.

Regular feature

What is beyond dispute is that the group performed two years ago on stage in support of Turkish singer Sertab Erener's Eurovision Song Contest entry.

Dervishes have also become a regular feature of dance performances, such as those of DJ Mercan Dede, who has become very successful both in Turkey and the US with his blend oftrance, dance and dervish music.

"In 730 years of Mevlana, never have men and women performed the
sema together"

Abdulhamit Cakmut,
Mevlana Education and Culture Association

The teachings and sayings of Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi are taken as fundamental for many Turkish dervishes, the 13th century Sufi mystic having lived the last years of his life in Konya, in central Turkey.

To him and his disciples, all religions are more or less truth. His breathtaking poetry and advocacy of unlimited tolerance, positive reasoning, goodness, charity and awareness through love have made him especially popular with "new age" Western spiritualists.

Not surprisingly, the actions of the EMAV have deeply offended Turkey's dervish establishment.

Opposites?

"In 730 years of Mevlana, never have men and women performed the sema together," Cakmut said, adding that the EMAV group are "completely the opposite of us".


Dervish sects were very powerful
in the Ottoman empire's heyday


"The Sertab song abused Mevlana to sell records," he said. "They translate dervish song into Turkish, add guitars and other instruments, but in Mevlevi culture, the instruments are fixed. Their costume is colourful too, but you can't do that. This is cheating people."

Traditionalists argue that the costume must be of undyed wool, with a black cape and a distinctive brown conical hat, used to symbolise the tombstone. The costume is highly symbolic - as is every part of the dervish ritual.

The EMAV dervishes counter that they are promoting the message of Mevlana far more effectively and truthfully than traditionalists.

"The symbolic meaning of the sema is a rose garden," says Gul Ayhan, a woman who has performed the sema with EMAV for several years. "There are various types of roses, so why not a colourful tenure?"

As for the Eurovision incident, "originally, we were to perform separately", Tolga Gogus, another dervish from EMAV, said.

"Then, on the night, the organisers put us together. But on the other hand, Sertab's song is about love, and for us this means spiritual love, so we thought it was OK to accompany her. There was nothing disrespectful going on."

Once powerful

Dervishes have long had a controversial role in Turkey. In Ottoman times, many lodges, or tekke, were founded and flourished throughout the lands that now make up the modern country.

Different dervish sects were also very powerful politically within the imperial structure. However, in 1924, following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the birth of the secular Turkish Republic, tekke were banned and many of their leaders persecuted.

"We don't want any friction with the others. Our way is unity and bringing together. But if they feel that way about us, what can we say?"

Gul Ayhan, a woman who has performed the sema with EMAV

The ban is still technically valid today, and unofficial lodges must register as "music societies" or "folk groups".

"We don't have any connection with tekkes," Cakmut said emphatically. "Mevlevism is a spiritual movement and has nothing to do with tekkes. There is nothing more going on. Our job is education and music."

Ongoing conflict

The most well-known dervish venue today in Istanbul is the old Celebi tekke in Beyoglu, on the city's European shore. The Celebis are the direct descendants of Mevlana. There, EMAV performs a sema once a fortnight to a packed audience, with many foreigners also present.


The old Celebi tekke in Istanbul
is the best-known dervish venue


The group alternates with the Mevlana Educational and Cultural Association, who are also a popular sight for tourists and believers.

The building is owned by the Turkish Culture Ministry, which runs it as a museum, and the weekly sema is officially only an example of local "folk dancing". This too causes some unease.

"If you put this on in a hotel lobby or as entertainment at a wedding, it would ruin it," says Cakmut. Where this leaves a "music and education" show for tourists is not clear, although the ritual itself is performed with absolute sincerity and belief.

Meanwhile, the conflict between "new age" and traditionalist dervishes continues.

"We don't want any friction with the others," says Ayhan. "Our way is unity and bringing together. But if they feel that way about us, what can we say?"



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Posted on Sun, Apr 30, 2006 06:37

SALAM MY BROTHER AL GAZALI FOUND THE REAL PEACE IN SUFISUM HE FOUND HE BECAME A SUFI AT 38 AND GAVE AWAY THE EVERYTHING TO SEARCH THE ONENESS OF ALLAH



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Posted on Thu, Apr 27, 2006 13:32

Asalamo alikom ,

Brothers and sisters , The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined following his Sunnah and teachings, and made them binding. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: You have to follow my Sunnah (way) and the way of my rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa al-raashidoon); bite onto it with your eyeteeth (i.e., cling firmly to it). And he warned against bidah (innovation), as he said: Beware of newly-invented matters, for every newly-invented matter is a going astray. (narrated by al-Tirmidhi, al-Ilm, 2600 )

See , he enjoined us to follow his way ( Sunnah ) , not Sufism ways

It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Whoever does any action that is not in accordance with this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), will have it rejected. (Narrated by Muslim, al-Aqdiyyah, 3243).

And about Imam al-Ghazzaali , He is Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Toosi, who was known as al-Ghazzaali. He was born in Toos in 450 AH. His father used to spin wool and sell it in his shop in Toos.

he went through a number of stages. He indulged in philosophy, then he recanted and rejected that. After that he indulged in what is known as ilm al-kalaam (Islamic philosophy) and gained a sound grasp of its basic principles; then he rejected that after it became clear to him that it was corrupt and filled with contradictions. He was focusing on ilm al-kalaam during the period when he refuted philosophy, and at that time he was given the title of Hujjat al-Islam, after he had refuted the arguments of the philosophers. Then he recanted ilm al-kalaam and turned away from it. He followed the path of the Baatiniyyah (esotericists) and learned their knowledge, but then he rejected that and showed the beliefs of the Baatiniyyah to be false, and exposed the manner in which they tamper with the texts and rulings. Then he followed the path of Sufism.

Then at the end of his life, al-Ghazzaali (may Allaah have mercy on him) came back to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jamaaah. He focused on the Quraan and Sunnah and condemned ilm al-kalaam and its proponents. He advised the ummah to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and to act in accordance with them, as was the way of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them and those who follow them in truth until the Day of Judgement). Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: After that he came back to the path of the scholars of hadeeth, and wrote Iljaam al-Awwaam an Ilm al-Kalaam. (Majmoo Fataawa, part 4, p. 72)

A glance at Iljaam al-Awwaam an Ilm al-Kalaam will prove to us that he had indeed changed



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Posted on Sun, Apr 23, 2006 20:07

Thank u brothers for ur time and effort spent on ur explanations. It has helped me gain a proper understanding of sufism
Salamz.



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Posted on Sun, Apr 23, 2006 09:04

salam sasumam and klodian what you people explain has nothing to do with the real essance of sufisum its the way people have made changes because they follow mere teachings I shall explain you in short Imam gazali in his great book Iyahol uloom says pore coloured water in white bottle the on lookers shall mistake it as a coloured bottel thats the way every one looks at the subject his way and by the way brothers we were trained by are spiritual master who had to guide us through keeping every sunnah in mind the books u people talk about has no place with us we read books written by kamil sufis in persian and aribic written 900 years back u wont find any thing written wrong in it this sufis were strict followers of sunnah and had the deepest respect for are prophet[MPBH] and not forget india is the land were u find sufisum in true colours the great sufi Khaja Moinuddin Chisty was given the indian mission in dream in none other than the holy prophit himself I feel cool breeze from india go to Ajmer; may ALLAH help us with mischief mongers AMEEN



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Posted on Fri, Apr 21, 2006 04:03

The word Sufism was not known at the time of the Messenger or the Sahaabah or the Taabieen. It arose at the time when a group of ascetics who wore wool (soof) emerged, and this name was given to them. It was also said that the name was taken from the word soofiya (sophia) which means wisdom in Greek. The word is not derived from al-safa (purity) as some of them claim, because the adjective derived from safa is safaai, not soofi (sufi). The emergence of this new name and the group to whom it is applied exacerbated the divisions among Muslims. The early Sufis differed from the later Sufis who spread bidah (innovation) to a greater extent and made shirk in both minor and major forms commonplace among the people, as well as the innovations against which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned us when he said, Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is a going-astray. (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said it is saheeh hasan).

The following is a comparison between the beliefs and rituals of Sufism and Islam which is based on the Quraan and Sunnah.

Sufism has numerous branches or tareeqahs, such as the Teejaniyyah, Qaadiriyyah, Naqshbandiyyah, Shaadhiliyyah, Rifaaiyyah, etc., the followers of which all claim that their particular tareeqah is on the path of truth whilst the others are following falsehood. Islam forbids such sectarianism. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

and be not of al-mushrikoon (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, polytheists, idolaters, etc),

Of those who split up their religion (i.e., who left the true Islamic monotheism), and became sects, [i.e., they invented new things in the religion (bidah) and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it. [al-Room 30:31-32]

The Sufis worship others than Allaah, such as Prophets and awliya [saints], living or dead. They say, Yaa Jeelaani, Yaa Rifaai [calling on their awliya], or O Messenger of Allaah, help and save or O Messenger of Allaah, our dependence is on you, etc.

But Allaah forbids us to call on anyone except Him in matters that are beyond the person's capabilities. If a person does this, Allaah will count him as a mushrik, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

And invoke not, besides Allaah, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers). [Yoonus 10:106]

The Sufis believe that there are abdaal, aqtaab and awliya (kinds of saints) to whom Allaah has given the power to run the affairs of the universe. Allaah tells us about the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

Say [O Muhammad]: And who disposes the affairs They will say. Allaah. [Yoonus 10:31]

The mushrik Arabs knew more about Allaah than these Sufis!

The Sufis turn to other than Allaah when calamity strikes, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And if Allaah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with good, then He is Able to do all things. [al-Anaam 6:17]



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Posted on Fri, Apr 21, 2006 00:40

Selamu alejkum

Sufism is a deviated sect and their aqidah is wrong. So be careful of them.
They say things that are shirk. They say that their immams hold and take care of the world. Be carefull of them.

For example:

1. THE ISLAAMIC (true belief)BELIEF: None shares with the command of Allaah

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta
aalaa) says in the Qur'aan -

"Verily, His (Allaah's) command, when He intends a thing, is only that he says to it, "Be! And it is!" - (Chapter 36, Verse 82); and in another place in the Qur'aan, Allaah says =

"They have no protector other than Him (Allaah); nor does He share His command with any person whatsoever." - (18:26)

THE Suffi belief: They say their sheikh shares with the command of Allaah

On page 33 of the book 'Mercy Oceans - Part 1', it reads "The Power of the wali is such

that he only needs to say Kun (be) and that will be."

The above is another example of Shirk (association) in the aspect of the Lordship of Allaah, since the Islaamic principle of the Lordship of Allaah states that no created being can share in God's attributes and infinite qualities, and any attempt to give the Divine attributes to creation is referred to as Shirk (association), the antithesis of Tawheed (singling out Allaah alone for worship).

2:THE ISLAMIC(true belief) BELIEF: Allaah is above the heavens

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta
aalaa) says in the Qur'aan -

"Do you feel secure, that He (Allaah), who is above the heavens, will not cause the earth to sink with you." (Qur'aan, Chapter 67, Verse 16).

And in a long Hadith found in Saheeh Muslim, it is narrated that the companion Mu
awiyah ibn al-Hakam, (Radhiallaahu Anhu) slapped his servant girl who used to tend his sheep, and as a result when to the Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam) and asked what should be done as an atonement for having slapped her. The Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam) replied, "Bring her to me" so Mu
awiyah brought her to the Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam). The Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam) then asked her, "Where is Allaah?" and she replied "Above the Sky" then the Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam ) asked her, "Who am I?" and she replied, "You are Allaah's Messenger", so the Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam) said, "Free her, for verily she is a true believer." (Saheeh Muslim, Vol 1, Hadith #1094, English Translation)

THE Sooffee BELIEF: They say Allaah is Everywhere

On page 13 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani it reads,

"Allaah Almighty is everywhere but specially in the Baitullaah as He has Himself called it the house of Allaah. For it to be called the house of the Lord, the Lord of the house must be in it."

The concept of Allaah being everywhere is not Islaamic as the above Qur'aanic Aayah and the authentic hadith confirm. Indeed if Allaah was everywhere then there would be no need for the Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam) to go up through the seven skies on the night of Mi
raaj to meet Allaah - he would have been in the direct presence of Allaah in his very own house.

3. THE ISLAMIC (true belief)BELIEF: None has the knowledge of the Last Day except Allaah

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta
aalaa) says in the Qur'aan,

"Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allaah (alone)." (31:34)

And according to the well known Hadith, where Angel Jibreel (
alaihis salaam) came in the guise of man, we quote the part of the Hadith that is relevant to our matter, after asking about Islaam, Imaan and Ihsaan, Angel Jibreel (
alaihis salaam) asks Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam) "then tell me about the hour (meaning the last day)", the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam) replied, "The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner."

(Saheeh Muslim, vol 1, Hadith #4, English Translation)

THE Sooffee BELIEF: They say their sheikh has the knowledge of the Last Day.

In the beginning of page 19 of the book 'Mercy Oceans - part one', it reads -

"These signs have been given us indication that the Last Day is coming is nearly exactly now ?we shall witness that great event within two years."

The above book (Mercy Oceans) was published in 1987 and it I almost nine years since its publication, but the last day is still not witnessed. How could it be when indeed Allaah has clearly stated in the Qur'aan,

"Say None in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen except Allaah." (Qur'aan, Chapter 27, Verse 65)

So this are some of their beliefs which are shirk.

So be careful of them my dear brothers and sisters



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Posted on Thu, Apr 20, 2006 02:53

Salamz brothers and sistas;
Can sumbody plz explain 2 me exactly wat sufism is and wat it involves....because, no offense 2 any1, but from wat i have seen nd heard bout it, i strongly disagree with it.
i am sorri if i have offended any1,i am juss speaking ma mind.
Salamz.



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Posted on Tue, Apr 18, 2006 07:01

salam safia can you explain what sufisum means?



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Posted on Mon, Apr 17, 2006 10:02

Salam all,

May you'll be in the best state of health and imaan.

I totally agree with all of you. We do need the spirit of Sufism in our life. We certaintly especially need a lot of help from the Saints (May Allah be pleased with them) to guide us through the ways in deflating our dirty egos and save us from the tricks and traps of our EGOS.And of course to also teach us in loving the Oneness of Allah Azza Wa Jalla.

" The Path of Dervishhood
is not for the sake of avoiding
entanglement with the world.
No, it's because nothing exists but God. "

~Mathnawi II, 3497~

May Allah elevate your spiritual stations and guide us all. Ameen

Allahu Haq!

Barakallahu Feeki,
Nour



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Posted on Sat, Apr 15, 2006 13:25

Salam to all muslim deeply intrested in sufisum the techings of the saints the way they spread the loving oneness of Almighty ALLAH dont we need the sprit of sufis in are life?



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