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Posted on Fri, Jun 03, 2005 18:11


Rashidak write:
They made their own group and named it shia group after nabowat and khilafat period. So Suni muslims have to clear themselves from this group thats why they have given themselves a Sunni name.


It's this exact mentality that causes Shiite mosques to be bombed by "Muslims" in Pakistan.



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Posted on Thu, Jun 02, 2005 21:42

assalamualaikum bro,

i just wanna ask you are you in the tabliqh group?

  


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Posted on Mon, May 09, 2005 12:33

Hi, every body.

I would like to share some of my views on this shia and sunni matter.

This is an issue of believers and non believers. (Quran+Hadith)

If u see through the life of Islam (27 Years of Mohammad salalAllah ho alyhi wasalam) and remaining years of Khilafat (Hazrat Abu Bakar raziAllah anho, Hazrat Umar raziAllah anho, Hazrat Usman raziAllah anho and Hazrat Ali raziAllah anho)

Q1. WHERE WERE SHIAS THAT TIME?
Ans. They made their own group and named it shia group after nabowat and khilafat period. So Suni muslims have to clear themselves from this group thats why they have given themselves a Sunni name.

If some body did some thing wrong. for example first person hit second person. How can his father or his brother or his family would be punished?

U can only punish the First person who slapped.
Not the whole family.

They are punnishing theirselves from centuries.
WHY?
Because they are responsible for what had happend.
Thats Why. Not Sunnis.

But let me remind you;
they cannot punish themselves for what their elders had done. It was their elders fault and now u cannot do any thing about it.



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Posted on Fri, May 06, 2005 11:12

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Posted on Fri, May 06, 2005 11:03

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Posted on Sun, May 01, 2005 10:10

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Posted on Sun, Apr 24, 2005 09:57

The shieks that you speak of may be just an example of the hypocrites that Allah warns us of. There are certainly many others. The hypocrites may listen to freemasons, or other non-Islamic influences. But the one thing they have in common is that they refuse to follow Islam and they seek to divide the Ummah.

It's important to understand that even without the influences of freemasons these hypocrites have sought to destroy Islam. This is because they are guided by Shaitan instead of Allah. And while Shaitan may use people such as the freemasons to carry out his missions. He will also use many others, even those who are closest to the faithful. This is why we must be careful not to follow a message that causes a division amongst the Muslims, even if we trust those who deliver the message. Otherwise we would be no better than those who rejected guidance because the messenger was a man from among them.



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Posted on Sat, Apr 23, 2005 15:42

Its simple,they are the embodiement of the Dijal(anti-Christ) that have influenced Christian theology since the departing of Jesus(SUS).Muhammed(PBUH)prophesised in the Hadith the coming of the one eyed Dijal,the freemasons have initiated many Shieks from the "shia" and "Sunni" sects,and those are the hypocrites Allah warns us of.Thier obligated to stirr animosity between Islam as to further segregate the religion of submission(Islam).The scientific definition of muslim is any living creature that willingly or unwillingly submits to Gods covenant.ie
the birds,the land,the trees,the sun,the moon,the animal kingdom and it goes on,mankind and the spirits are the only two that are intitled to freewill,so we have a choice to submit or not to submit.So say what you want but the debate is meaningless, we are human biengs born with a natural state of politics as Aristotle pointed out.God is a spiritual bond and each person will find that bond in his or her own manner.There is no place for the ecclesiastic rule.

PS
Arabisim is not synonymous with Islam,its just another form of fascism.Keep that in mind.



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Posted on Sat, Apr 23, 2005 09:28

That's an interesting essay. I'm not exactly sure what it has to do with our discussion. But thanks for sharing it with us.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 21, 2005 11:59

I have decided to share this personal essay with all of you on this forum,however limited the exposure is.If anyone would like to read further into this interesting yet often controversial topic
drop me a line.I have much more.
WE MUST EXPOSE THE SECRECY OF THE CRAFT!!THEY HAVE HAD A DEEP IMPACT ON THE ISLAMIC WORLD.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 21, 2005 11:34

"To foresee what my occur one must understand what has happened" the contemporary Niccolo Machiavelli lived by this statement.What thoughts would have crossed the mind of the Florentine civil servent in regards to the political,religious,social and economic structures that emerged after his death (22nd of June 1527).The world was transforming evolutionarily,the transitional movement in Europe between medieval and modern times that began in the 14th century Italy would continue threw the 17th century,marked by an extream humanistic revival of classical influence expressed in a flowering of the arts and literature which would lead to the beginnings of our modern science.During the renaissance a group of men arose from the shadows,a group of men known by many but understood by a few,a group of men who conducted their matters in secrecy,who in the year 1717 founded the United Grand Lodge of England(UGLE) and the name they chose for themselves is none other than the Freemasons.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 21, 2005 11:33

The year is 1095,the place, Clermont,France, Pope Urban the second addresses the masses in order to gain support for Alexuis Komenos of Byzantine and to recapture
Jerusalem from the infidel Muslims.Around the year 1118 Hugh de Paynes founded the Knights Templars or the Templars Knights who were not only brave knights but also monks who dedicated themselves to protecting pilgrims paying homage to the holy land during the violent period of the crusades.The dwelling place they called home was the Temple of Solomon,the Templars ventured in excavations during this period, what they discovered remains a mystery.Expert speculation points to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls,the writings of the disciples of Jesus Christ.At this stage the Templars accumulated great wealth and became a distinguished order within European society,the burden of great power is complicated politics.On Friday the 13th of October 1307, King Philip ?The Fair? of France demanded all Templars be arrested, there were numerous crimes the Templars were accused of committing, one accusation in particular was that all members of the order were heretics.In 1314 the Grand Master of the order Jacque de Moly endured excruciating pain and was finally burnt at the stake and the order of the Knights Templars was disbanded.
The Templars emerged in Scotland at the Rosslyn Chapel,there is documentary evidence recorded by historians of the Freemasons claiming the Templars are responsible for the distinctive architectural design of the chaple.With the heroic William Wallace deseased,the Scotts put their hopes and dreams of independence in one of the many successors,Robert the Bruce King of Scotland would lead the Scotts into a glories victory, along with his new allies the Templars they humiliated the English at the battle of Bannockburn.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 21, 2005 11:32

Inevitably the Templars infiltrated England and orchestrated the democratic movements that would lead to the first constitutional monarch the world had ever witnessed.Liberty,equality and fraternity became the basis of the Knights Templars, in 1717 the United Grand Lodge of England was founded by the Grand Master Anthony Sawyer.The name Knights Templars had to be changed for a new chapter and the name they decided on was the Freemasons.France would ultimately adopt democracy after the defeat of Napolean the 1st in the battle of waterloo.This realization of democracy meant that you can no longer control the plebeien society throw force.The only suitable method of control was to indoctrinate the masses to their way of thinking,the first act was to initiate rulers into the order.Frederick the Prince of Wales was intiated in 1737,this paved the way to have the aristocracy at the top of the order,as well, the brotherhood was bieng established in most countries around the world.The stratagem of implementing the brotherhood worldwide was colonization.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 21, 2005 11:32

It comes to no surprise that the founding of the United States of America was pro-actively influenced and accomplished by a benevolent delegation of Freemasons.All the men involved in the revolution and creation of the United States of America were either Freemason themselves or directly collaborating with the Freemasons.On the 4th of July 1776 the Declaration of Independence was signed.Of the men present for the signing the following were Freemasons: William Hooper,Matthew Thortan,William Whipple,John Hancock,Phillip Livingston,Thomas Nelson and Benjamin Franklin.George Washinton,Marquiste Latayette,Baron de Kalb and Baron Steuben were some of the leading militay figures to to be Freemason.In 1792 coincidently enough on the 13th of October, George Washinton laid the foundation stone of the White House.The President was initiated at the Fredericksburg Masonic Lodge on the 4th of November 1752 at the age of 25.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 21, 2005 11:31

Masonic Symbology can abundantly be found across the United States in all its marvelous imagery.The final words of a speech address from President Washinton between December 27th 1792-January 3rd 1792 at the presenting of the Book of Constitutions, the president reads,? While I beg you acceptance of my thanks for the ?book of constitutions?,which you have send me,and for the honour you have done me in the Dedication,permit me to assure you,that I feel all those emotions of gratitude which your affectionate Address and cordial wishes are calculated to inspire; I sincerely pray that the Great Architect of the Universe may bless you here and receive you hereafter in his Eternal Temple?.The President?s prayer to the Great Architect of the Universe reflects the Masonic tradition of believing in God, the ever-present eye gazing over his people to account for their actions.This belief is rooted from Egyptian Mythology, the religion of Osiris and Isis the goddess.
Freemasonry theology takes in to account a variety of philisophical,spiritual,political and historical concepts from different religions.This seems to be the reasoning of the tolerance that is apparently being preached and discussed within the mass number of lodges worldwide.Kabalahist,
Sumerians,Ancient Egyptians,Hindus,Jews,
Christians and Islamists have all influenced Freemasonry thought.The rites and rituals observed during initiation ceremonies are sacred teachings and practices that have been restored throughout the generations and kept alive to this day.
"The stupidity,ignorance,forgetfulness and indolence of men are notorious",with this statement Judge Johannes Athusius(1557-1638)shows an inclination for Machiavelli?s profound conviction on humanities irrational behavior.I have intentionaly provided you with a brief and undetailed history of the Freemasons.The motivation for this piece comes from my curiosity and sheer passion for the truth.Ignorance in society is blissless,I hope I h...



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Posted on Sat, Apr 16, 2005 09:30

As-salaam-ual-aikum brothers and sisters,

Again, I have to agree with tanveermd. Either you are a Muslim or you are not. Sects are not necessary in Islam. They are wrong. They are dangerous. And they are part of the reason why there are Muslims killing other Muslims around the world.

Today we have 2 major sectors in Islam. But in the future we may have many. The Sunnis say that they need to do certain things as a Sunni. And the Shias say that they need to do certain things as a Shia. But what they fail to realize is that they put more emphasis on being a Sunni or being a Shia than being a Muslim. And I don't think there is any phrase more pleasing to Shaitan than "Sunni vs. Shia".

If you live your life according to the Quran you are a Muslim. If you don't live your life according to the Quran you are a non-Muslim. And this is what's really important. But we don't realize how important it is until we see people who are not following the Quran.

Some Muslims say that the Quran lacks many of the details of their religion (such as the details of how we make salat). But what they fail to realize is that the things that are not in the Quran were left out for a reason. There are many ways that you can pray to your lord. But what really matters is how sincere you are when you pray:

"It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces towards east or west; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing." (Al-Baqara 2:177)



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Posted on Sat, Apr 16, 2005 09:29

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As Muslims we need to unify and stop fighting over things that are unimportant. We don't know which Muslims are the most righteous. Only Allah knows. Therefore instead of worrying about who is and isn't following Islam, we should try to follow it as best we can. And always try to increase our imam.

"Verily, this Ummah of yours is a single Ummah, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other)." (Al-Anbiya 21:92)



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Posted on Fri, Apr 15, 2005 05:09

Assalamualaikum,

Without the hadith , there can be no exigesis of Quran.
There can be no proper interpretation of Quran without hadith.There will be no Salaah without the Hadith.


By ordering Muslims not to make Sects, it is meant that do not create strange distorted anti Islamic ideas, like you have put forth against the Hadith and the Sunnah.
from Quran:
Ma Ataa Qumurrasoola faquzuhoo: Take what the Prophet (peave be upon Him) has given You.

Wa mayn Yutee-ar Rasoola faqad Ata ALLAh : One who obeys the Prophet (peace be upon Him) indeed obeys ALLAH


It is clear that there will be sects, thats why ALLAH orders us not to indulge in sectarianism. Just like consumption of Alcohol is disallowed. If there would be no alcohol , then why would it be prohibited.

Hence there are sects and you are misinterpreting the Quran and creating a foolish sect.

Fear ALLAh and stop your slander and misinterpretations is the name of Islam.

We are Muslims who obey ALLAH and His Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon Him)and the ULiL Amr (as ordered in the Quran), the rest have deviated and do not follow Islam as it came but want their own ideas to be incorporated in ISlam.

Like a group of Gays forming a Gay Muslim Club, naturally of those people who refuse the Hadith,thus having misinterpreted the Quran.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 07, 2005 20:40

allah has said that there will be jinn amongst men do you believe that time is neaar according to the surah al asr please give me a response on this in the religion sectipon of the forum.



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Posted on Thu, Apr 07, 2005 20:37

as salamu alaikum
shukrun brother as you know allah only knows the last days. inshaa allah i'll be able to explain the time is near some how with out saying that i know the time is near.surely,man is at lost.( al asr) distorting allah's perfect religion to all mankind. allah says this day i have perfected your religion and have choosen islam for you. allah says that he has sent prophets to all mankind. he has sent the prophet muhammad(pbuh) he has called us muslims he has ordained for us to pray 5 daily prayers he has established in quran to follow the prophet (pbuh) and worship him and him alone he has told us about the 73 sects of islam he has made final that only one sect will enter his heavens he has said that there are jinn amongst men do you believe this im sorry brother ssome brothers lose there faith and souls however i grow stronger in my beliefs daily.so inshaaa allah brothers will learn that allah says there are no compulsion in religion so brothers if you are not practicing islam and following the sunnah of the prophet muhammmad (pbuh) then you are a mushrik (those) who go back on religion when allah has already perfected religion for you what other way has allah ordained in quran for us to follow are we but believing a sect because my father followed this sect?or do i believe there to be a partner with allah whose going to let me into paradise( even though i did not follow the prophet muhammad(sws) these are the signs i speak of. alhamduallah



brother iseeyou



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