ahjii0187 Thanks for writing several lengthy posts.
You mention that Jesus, Abraham, Noah et al where not Christians. Christian is of course a word composed by later generations. When you think about the Trinity though, Jesus ie. Christ has always been with God, since the beginning of time -" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". Later on, as John the Baptist describes;" The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us" I believe that Christ has made several "dwellings" among us. Krishna, Buddha, Horus with the egyptians, you name it. All these carry on the teachings of the anointed, who has always been with God.
Just a comment on the trinity, in no place in the scriptures does Jesus claim to be God and the one line where he comes close that Catholics often call apon where jesus says "God and I are one" can be explained from the greek. One has a male form which means "the same" and a female form which means something like "in agreement" the line would be more correct if translated "God and I are in agreement".
RWB2000 I was seeking to spare you but know I must slew you and further prove your ignorance. You say that you are a Christian, but I say that you are not. The words you speak when you say that you are a Christian are no more than lip service to me. To be a Christian is to be like Christ & follow his teachings, therefore this would make me more of a Christian than you and I am a Muslim. I will prove to you in 4 & more ways that I am closer to Jesus (PBUH) in my ways of woship, action and even apearance with the use of the bible & not the Quran to prove your ignorance. You only follow man because the words that Prophet Jesus (PBUH) spoke were not his words but they were word of Allah (SWTA).
1) When I pray I prostrate face down just like the prophet Jesus (PBUH) & the other Messngers of Allah. (Matthew 26:39) And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed saying, O my father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me: never the less not as I will, but as thou wilt.
2) When I pray I pray to Allah (SWTA) without any intecessor like Prophet Jesus (PBUH). And I repeat . (Matthew 26:39) And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed saying, O my father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me: never the less not as I will, but as thou wilt.
3) I follow not the ways of the heathens and celebrate peagan holidays such as Christmas. (Jeremiah 10:2-4) Thus sayith the Lord, Lear not the ways of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of the heaven; for the heathen are dismayed by them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of a worman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten down so that it moves not.
4) I do not eat the swine and flesh of the pig as Allah (SWTA) told Moses & Aaron (PBUT). (Leviticus 11:7-8) And the swine, though he divided the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he chewith not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of the flesh shall ye not eat, and the carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
(ACTS 11:26) "AND WHEN HE HAD FOUND HIM, HE BROUGHT HIM UNTO ANTIOCH. AND IT CAME TO PASS, THAT A WHOLE YEAR THEY ASSEMBLED THEMSELVES WITH THE CHURCH, AND TAUGHT MUCH PEOPLE. AND THE DISCIPLES WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS FIRST IN ANTIOCH."
Although you and I use the word as a synonym for a believer, the word, "Christian," is not NECESSARILY a designation for every saved person. No one was CALLED a CHRISTIAN before Acts 11:26.
1. In the strict sense of the word, Noah was not a Christian.
2. Abraham was not a Christian.
3. John the Baptist was not a Christian.
4. Moses was not a Christian.
5. The disciples of the Lord before the crucifixion were not Christians.
6. Jesus(PBUH) himself was not a Christian.
The disciples were FIRST called Christians at Antioch. So what were all believers called before then? No one knows for sure but they were not Christians and did not believe in the trinity.
And indeed we sent Noah to his people, and he stayed among them a thousand years less fifty years (inviting them to believe in the oneness of Allah (Monotheism) and discarded the false gods and other deities): Al-Quran (29:14).
And remember Abrahim when he said to his people: ?Worship Allah (alone), and fear Him: that is better for you if you did but know. Al-Quran (29:16)
You worship besides Allah only Idols, and you only invent falsehood. Verilly those whom you worship besides Allah have no power to give you provision: so seek your provision from Allah (alone), and worship Him (alone), and be grateful to Him. To Him (alone) you will be brought back. Al-Quran (29:17)
And if you deny, then nations before you denied (their Messengers). And the duty of the Messenger is only to convey the Message plainly. Al-Quran (29:18).
In reply to a question by Philip, Prophet Jesus said: "God alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have a end, ... He hath no sons, nor brethern, nor companions." (Gospel of Barnabas, Chapter 17 - p17 - p18).
"... Verily ye have erred greatly, O Israelites, in calling me, a man, your God. ... I confess before heaven, ... that I am a stranger to all that ye have said; seeing that I am man, born of a mortal woman, subject to the judgement of God, suffering the miseries of eating and sleeping, of cold and heat, like other men,. Whereupon when God shall come to judge, my words like a sword shall pierce each one (of them) that believe me to be more than man," (Gospel of Barnabas, Chapter 93-p117).
Prophet Jesus categorically said regarding the laws and prophets of the Old Testament, "I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17). Further, when a man asked Prophet Jesus how to get eternal life, he advised him to follow the commandments o the Old Testament (Mark 10:17-19). Once Apostle Paul established his foothold among the disciples, he declared abolition of those laws: "For all who rely o the works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10); and "you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace" (Galatians 5:4). But when he wanted to silence the women he took the shelter of 'Law': "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law" (I Corinthians 14:34-35). The doctrine of redemption is also the brainchild of apostle Paul (Romans 3:23-25).
These are just a few ayah from the Quran, The Gospel of Banabas and the Injeal (The new & old testament) that clearly states that none of the Messengers before Isa (Jesus PBUH) were Christians nor believed in the trinity. It is also clear that Isa was not a Christian nor preached he was God, the son of God nor the holy spirit. So when and where was the trinity indoctrinated into the Injeal (Bible). The council of Nicea established the cardinal doctrine of Christianity, Trinity (by Athanesius of Alexandria). The council also changed the birthday of Prophet Jesus to 25 December to match the birthday of Sun-God Mithras, and shifted the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
A true Christian knows there is no difference in Islam & Christianity. You do not follow the bible, you go against the bible, therefore you follow the anti-christ. Why should I respect you when you wish to call me a nigger. Why should I respect you when you wish to destroy your brothers & sisters. Why should I respect you when you wish to destroy my faith. There is no respect because in your heart there is nothing but hatred. So where does your faith lie? Is it Jesus (PBUH) a noble man, Paul a liar or the Allmighty & All Knowing Allah (SWTA) Lord of the heavens and the earth and all there is between them.
RWB2000 I despise your ignorance & the way you covet the truth. You have no true knowledge of Islam or Christianity for that matter. You follow nothing but conjecture & lies that you receive from bogus medium & anti-Islamic propaganda. You are a perfect example of a white pompous American who resides to his suburban home and thinks that everything is o.k. in the world outside of his comfort zone. The minute trial & affliction touches you you react in anger & hate because of your lack of true understanding of the circumstances and hardship other people endure in this world. If God was to place you in Israel as a Palestinians enduring the oppression that they are suffering you would be begging to return to your cozy suburban home in an hour. A true Christian would not speak ill of anyone?s faith especially when many can recount the many lives that have been wasted in the name of Christianity from the times of the crusades on through to the hundreds of thousands of slaves that were murdered all the way up until today. You have just proved to me your ignorance and lack of understanding even after I tried to reason the lack of peace & stability in this world stems from the lack of fear in Allah & the day of recompense.
The United States has always boasted itself as the "model of democracy" and hawked its mode of democracy to the rest of the world. In fact, American "democracy" is always one for the wealthy and a "game for the rich." The United States is the richest in the world, but its poverty rate is also the highest among the developed countries. In the United States, problems such as poverty, hunger and homelessness are quite serious, and the economic, social and cultural rights of working people are not guaranteed. Racial discrimination has long been a chronic malady of American society.Black Americans and other ethnic minorities are at the bottom of American society and their living standards are much lower than that of whites. According to The State of Black America 2005, the income level of African American families is only one-tenth of that of white families, and the welfare enjoyed by black Americans is only three-fourths of their white counterparts. Minorities face discrimination in employment and occupation. The Washington Post reported on April 11, 2005 that in 2004, about 29 percent of African Americans who bought or refinanced homes ended up with high-cost loans, compared with only about 10 percent of white Americans. According to a report of the U.S. Department of Labor, in November 2005 the black unemployment rate was 10.6 percent, compared with the white unemployment rate at 4.3 percent. Black male earnings were 70 percent of white males, and black females earnings, 83 percent of their white counterparts. Ethnic minorities are often kept away from high-end occupations. The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission quoted a report as saying that the employment discrimination rate was 31 percent for Asians and 26 percent for African Americans, and the discrimination against Muslims doubled after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. And this is just my imagination, lol.
Pursuing unilateralism on the international arena, the U.S. government grossly violates the sovereignty and human rights of other countries in contempt of universally-recognized international norms. The U.S. government frequently commits wanton slaughters of innocents in its war efforts and military operations in other countries. The USA Today newspaper on Dec. 13, 2005 quoted a 2004 study published in the medical journal The Lancet as saying that it was estimated that about 100,000 Iraqis, mostly women and children, had died in the Iraqi war launched by the U.S. government in 2003. The year 2005 also witnessed frequent overseas military operations targeting at civilians by the U.S. forces, causing quite a number of deaths and injuries. On July 4, 2005, the U.S. forces killed 17 civilians, including women and children, in their air strikes in Konarha Province of Afghanistan. On Aug. 12, a U.S. military armored patrol vehicle fired at people coming out of a mosque in a town in the suburbs of the Iraqi city of Ramdi, killing 15 Iraqis, including eight children, and injuring 17 others. On Aug. 30, U.S. jet fighters launched several sorties of air raids against an area near the western Iraqi border town of Qaim, causing at least 56 deaths, including elderlies and children. On Nov. 21, U.S. troops fired at a civilian vehicle in northern Baghdad, killing a family of five, including three children. On Jan. 14, 2006, U.S. military aircraft struck a Pakistani village bordering Afghanistan, killing at least 18 civilians and triggering widespread anti-U.S. demonstrations in Pakistan.
RWB2000, you said that the jews have always been in Palestine, let me enlighten you my ignorant friend. I wrote to a Palestinian information organization in Washington, D.C., and asked for some books giving their side of the Israeli - Arab conflict. From them and from libraries I obtained many well - documented sources - including some amazing Zionist ones- that gave a very different answer to the Mideast question. I learned that the fledgling Israeli government had passed regulations forbidding the expelled Palestinians from returning to their homes and property. They also enacted a special law that deemed this Arab property "abandoned" and subject to confiscation without compensation. The Nazis of Hitler?s Reich could not have disposed of the problem with any more cold-blooded efficiency. I checked the figures compiled by the British Census in 1922. At that time, Jews accounted for only about 10 percent of the population. In the last such census, taken the year before the establishment of Israel, Jews had made up only about half of the population within the area that subsequently became Israel. The Palestinians then owned 93.5 percent of the land. The facts were inescapable and damning: Zionist immigrants had forced their way into Palestine against the wishes of the inhabitants and then, through the weight of arms and terror, had driven the residents from their homes, robbing them of their land and possessions. The facts could not be plainer. The Zionists, with help from their cohorts all over the world, had stolen a whole nation: the nation called Israel. No equivocation, no mountain of pro-Israeli propaganda, no playing of "Exodus" on the radio, and no replay of millions of feet of Hollywood films showing Arabs as brutal terrorists and Jews as innocent victims - none of this could change the obvious and inescapable facts. The pro-Israeli propaganda I read suggested that Palestine was essentially an empty country. Tell that to the more than one million people who have been driven out of it since 1948. Zionist leaders understood from the beginning that Israel was going to be acquired by colonization and conquest. The dedicated Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky makes this clear in his 1923 book The Iron Wall: We and the Arabs.1
RWB2000 says ?The way you speak is not from an American Voice but as a Muslim...?
RWB2000, it seams that you are concerned about me being a Muslim more than you are concerned about the facts. You really HATE Muslims don?t you? Anger & hate are human emotions that distort ones sense of logic and ability to be fair and reasonable.
My brother I am just as much an American as you are. I love America & would not want to live anywhere else in the world. If anyone would seek to make an attack on my nation, harm my family & my brothers & sisters, no matter who they are, I will fight & defend them with just as much passion as you. Despite my love for this country I cannot and will not say that I?m a patriot when I know that blacks in this country are still only considered a 3rd of vote when compared to whites. When I think of this it makes me realize that blacks are still not considered equal in the eyes of many white Americans. Regardless of me being a Muslim or an American I am a human being, & in no way or form can anyone justify the slaughter of any innocent life whether it is an American, Israeli, Palestinian, Muslim or Christian. Yes 9/11 was a tragedy but are you aware of the fact our country supported Saddam Hussein for decades supplying him with the raw materials to make chemical weapons & provided him with intelligence to secretly attack Iran and even stood by and watched while he slaughtered his people after the first Gulf War. I will not let my love for anything in this world justify mans inhumane acts of aggression towards each other. In reference to the Palestinians & Israelis what we have here is very similar to the pilgrims imposing on the Native Americans. Can I argue and say that the Native Americans were wrong in fighting for what was theirs long before the pilgrims landed on plymoth rock? No, I can?t. If I was to invade your home and take your land, family & children and do as I please with them, then allow you to go free; would you not seek revenge, retribution or justice? When judging justly one must take into consideration the reasons behind an individual?s action. For every action there is reaction. If you chose to take my life after I have murdered your family, would you consider that as justice? Violence begets more violence. You can?t stop violence with violence, just as you can?t put out a fire with gasoline. Peace lies in the ability to forgive, respect & treat others the way the way you wish to be treated. Peace lies in the faith & belief in God (alone) & the day of recompense. If we all truly believed that we are going to be judged for all of the acts that we have committed in this world & know that we could be punished with an everlasting torment would we do the atrocious acts that we commit in this world? We are being blinded with things like patriotism, race, conflicts of religion, money & politics from the truth that none of these things mean anything in the eyes of God. God created everything in this world with ONE purpose, and that?s to worship Him (alone). My patriotism lies in humanity & faith in Allah (SWTA). La Howla wa la Quatta Illa Billah.
rwb200. My brother Sumsuam has answered your question as clearly as possible. If you beleive in God, alhamdulillah. If you do not you may continue to beleive in whatever you wish to beleive in in peace as long as there is peace. Conditions for Combative Jihad are only exercised under the conditions of or if
there are aggressive designs against Islam; and,there are concerted efforts to eject Muslims from their legally acquired property; and,that military campaigns are being launched to eradicate them. When taking these circumstances into consisderation every living creature on earth will fight and is willing to die when and if their life is threatened. This is called survival. There are extremist, tyrants & oppressive people in every religion, race & culture & history will prove this(remember salvery). And if one wish to look closely with an unbiased view you will clearly see these things taking place in the Middle East right know. The Palastenians have been ejected from their land and are constantly being violated and murdered by the Isreli's. Lord knows what America would do if anyone tried to impose on America with that sort of violence and aggression. Being realistic there will never be peace on this earth until everyone learns to respect other peoples, property, land, religion & culture. To you be your religion & to me be mine. But I say to you rwb200 learn to recognize the difference between a fool & someone who speaks the truth.
For the comment above "Alla or Jesus" by 'rwb2000'
God is God what ever name you call him by. Some definition from internet answers site(not a religion site):
"Allah is traditionally used by Muslims as the Arabic word for "God."
The word Allah is not specific to Islam; Arab Christians and Arabic-speaking Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews also use it to refer to the monotheist deity. Arabic translations of
the Bible also employ it, as do the Catholics of Malta who pronounce it as "Alla" in Maltese,
a language derived from and most closely related to Arabic".
"Most of the 99 names of God found in the Qur'an are attributes. One, however, Al Haq, meaning The Truth, seems to equate to absolute truth as that which cannot be negated. Al Haq is more than a reflection of faith in the existence of The God, and links the concept of God to all creation forever.
Thus Allah transcends the prophetic origins of Islam and is thus universal in all time and applies to all existence ? past, present, and future...."
"Allah is the unique name of God used in Islam, and also by most non-Muslim Arabs. ilah, cognate to northwest Semitic El, is the generic word for a God (any deity), Allah contains the article, literally "The God". Also, when speaking in English,
Muslims often translate "Allah" as "God"."
One of the following two scenarios most apply in the case of an Infidel either he has a peace treaty with the Muslims or is living under Muslim rule Or he is in a state of war against the Muslims .
In the first state , The Muslims believe that it is not permissible, under any circumstances whatsoever, for a Muslim to mistreat a non-Muslim who is not hostile towards Islam; so the Muslim should not commit aggression against him, or frighten him, or terrorize him, or steal his wealth, or embezzle him, or deprive him of his rights, or deny him his trust, or deny him his wages, or withhold from him the price of his goods when buying from him or withhold the profits of a partnership if he is in a business partnership with him .The Muslims believe that it is obligatory upon the Muslims to honour treaties or agreements made with a non-Muslim party. If a Muslim has agreed to their conditions when seeking permission to enter their country (i.e., a visa) and has promised to adhere to that, then it is not permissible for him to commit mischief in their land, to betray anyone, to steal, to kill or to do any destructive action, and so on.
Allaah says in His Book (interpretation of the meaning):
"Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes"
The Muslims believe that it is permissible for a Muslim to treat kindly those non-Muslims who are not hostile, whether by offering financial help, feeding the hungry, giving them loans if needed or interceding with regard to permissible matters, or speaking kindly to them or returning their greetings, and so on . There is no reason why Muslims should not cooperate with non-Muslims with regard to establishing truth and combating falsehood, to support the oppressed and ward off danger from mankind, such as cooperating to fight pollution or to protect the environment, or to combat epidemic diseases and so on .
Who tell you that balderdash ( a holy jihad is killing infidel ) , I think this is the vision that your media and movies want to put it to Islam , and who is this Imam , who was speechless about one of our religion fundamentals , I'll give you a brief illustration for Jihad .
In Arabic, the word jihad means striving and expending one's energy.
In Islamic terminology, jihad means the Muslim striving to make the word of Allaah supreme and to establish His religion on earth.
The purpose of jihad in Islam is not to kill non-Muslims, rather the purpose is to establish the religion of Allaah on earth, to establish the rule of His sharee'ah, and to bring people forth from the worship of other people to the worship of the Lord of all people, from the injustice of other religions to the justice of Islam ,Repelling the aggression of those who attack the Muslims and fight those who persecute the Muslims or apply pressure to them to make them give up their religion .
Killing a non-Muslim when he is a mu'aahid (one of those who have a peace treaty with the Muslims) is a sin, one of the major sins. Al-Bukhaari narrated that 'Abd-Allaah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'Aas (may Allah be pleased with them both) said: ?The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'Whoever kills a mu'aahid will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, even though its fragrance may detected from a distance of forty days.'
and when the army was ready to war , the prophet (pbuh) said to them " proceed in the name of Allah ,and for Allah and upon the religion of Allah's messenger (pbuh),do not betray ,do not kill the very old or a child or a woman or hired workers .
you only want to show Muslims as a group of sanguinaries , just to justify your persecution to Muslims , and to distort the true meaning of Islam .
Thanks for asking brother, Here in The Netherlands there is emnity towards us. In the news every day but thats not all. Banks refuse loans even if you are creditworthy, The Justice department wants a stop of muslims comin in. Firms dont take muslims as employee it is very hard. There is a scare away policy. They think by demotivating us we will eventually leave the country. so called economic crisis is bullshit. proffesors say it is not the matter of bad economy. our government is doing stuff we dont even understand why because it is Stalin with 250 heads. But we re hanging in there a lot of educated people left the country and also people who have houses and buisnesses in their mothercountry.
As Salamu Alaikum wa Rhamatulla Ahki. If I must be honest my brother in America it is not really that bad for muslim men in reference to the persecution of being a muslim. We may have a few isolated incidents, but muslim men are well adept at protecting ourselves from these sort of fitnah. In reference to the siters here in America it is about the same despite the little problems of them not being able to wear their hajibs in certain places. In all honesty me being black and a Muslim I have seen and heard it all so there is nothing I fear more than Allah. Allahu Hafiz.