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Posted on Wed, Nov 01, 2006 08:24

Asalam Alaikum,

My Name is Khalid Assam,Australian Revert to islam 12 years now...

One thing ive seen so many times over is reaction...
If we cannot set the examples upon what we follow and believe we are not true to our faiths at all and we do not have the right to comment on what others are doing also.Indeed Alla Suppaana wata alla has willed us to have oppinions and to also make choices,if we choose to voice out our oppinions on what other people are doing wheather its right or wrong we all all performing judgement.We all know Alla is the only Judge.
Im voicing out my frustrations with my fello muslims to encourage instead of getting even.As we know alla does all things.I find islam to be hard enough to practise as it is, but if we continue in getting caught up in politics or worldly affairs we indeed are losing touch of the real message.
My theory
This is a test like we did in school,
Time is set,Regulations and rules in place,Once we finish pens down....
So in other words if we are trully focused on what we trully believe in we wouldnt have time to be worrying about everything else thats blowing up around us.Yes indeed we can use it to make ourselves more appreciative but to use it to lets just say to get even well i pity on those.
The bigger the man in the fight always backs away...
Finally
Im not and i repeat im not saying we should not defend oursleves but im saying that we should only need to defend oursleves with physical Conflict not verbal...
We all know for everyones sake it aint easy to live life but we all certainly can make things easier by working in together for each other to follow islam and to also encourage the non believers to also revert...
Aslam Alaikum



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Posted on Mon, Nov 27, 2006 10:25

Allah as my witness Fatimah, my intent was not nor us not to make feel low. It is a real problem that the words we write are sometimes taken in a context that is not even close to the one we had. I misunderstood your "lol" about opening up the Qur'an and books of sunnah. Eventhough I put the "if's" this or that to show I was not saying that you did, just that the way "I" read it...no matter. I ask your forgiveness and for Allah to forgive me, ameen.



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Posted on Wed, Nov 22, 2006 09:58

#Your comments here sound as if your making light of the Qur'an wa Sunnah. Is that the case? If that is not the case, do you understand that nothing I say or you say or anybody says that can be added to this religion nor taken away? If you understand that, then you will understand that you can not argue with the haqq which is the Qur'an wa Sunnah. And you will also understand that to make fun or light of the Qur'an wa Sunnah is a form of shrik. May Allah protect us all from making shrik, ameen.#


Can you please explain where was it that i made FUN or light of the Qur'an wa Sunnah*** ?

I may have joked about the manner you tried to explain to me, but i do not recall making fun of the Quran wa Sunnah. It is a hurting accusation and you have just made me feel such a lowdown inadequate revert.

I posed the arguments in the hope of learning the tactful way of responding when i am faced with an agressive contender, but so far i have learnt that your way is to belittle and grade a person's iman. Who made you judge?

Anyone can read the Quran and Sunnah but if there is no supportive teacher/text to explain them in a logical manner, it would be hard, especially beginners or non muslims, to see the beauty in the messages.

The Quran and Sunnah is very dear to me. To suggest that i made fun or light of them is making jest of my choice to become a muslim.



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Posted on Sat, Nov 18, 2006 06:31

baqi9 wrote:*** We stop where they stopped.***

But do they ever stop???

#Stop they did....they stop where an nabi SAWS told them to stop. They didn't commit shirk, and they sure didn't commit bid'ah.#


*** your responding with your emotions instead of opening up the Qur'an and books of sunnah to see if what I'm saying is correct. Until you do that, nothing I say will seem correct to you. We can argue up until one of us dies, but we can't argue with the haqq, which is the Qur'an wa SunnahUntil you do that, nothing I say will seem correct to you. We can argue up until one of us dies, but we can't argue with the haqq, which is the Qur'an wa Sunnah.****

Gosh, you are already throwing in the towel and i was hoping u would continue to convince me otherwise ..lol. If someone had given me the same attitude and just told me ...Go open up the quran and sunnah and read for yourself, i think i would still have not reverted today.


#Your comments here sound as if your making light of the Qur'an wa Sunnah. Is that the case? If that is not the case, do you understand that nothing I say or you say or anybody says that can be added to this religion nor taken away? If you understand that, then you will understand that you can not argue with the haqq which is the Qur'an wa Sunnah. And you will also understand that to make fun or light of the Qur'an wa Sunnah is a form of shrik. May Allah protect us all from making shrik, ameen.#

?Perhaps we were relating to different peoples here. I was refering to whether we should respond to non muslims and those non practising muslims or do we just adopt the attitude "it's your life to live as u please, so you dig your own grave...."

#That is not my position...to just let live and die as people please, muslim or not. But we as muslims can only advise and warn. In certain instances we can fight, but the what, who's, how's, and why's can only come from the Qur'an wa Sunnah. Not from our desires, because that would not be for Allah's sake. Everything that we say and do has to be in accordance with the Qur'an wa Sunnah, otherwise your not worshiping Allah alone. In essence you'd have setup partners with Allah. Whether that is a person, an angel, a jin, a object, or your desires(that includes your emotions). All of those can take one out of the folds of Islam if they are taken over the Qur'an wa Sunnah.#

How do we ask them to open the quran and sunnah when in the first place they do not believe in their existence? And in today's world if those they interact with do not bother to inform them about Islam, then they will go on believing whatever they get from the media, which unforutunately is not exactly kind to the mulsim interests.

#The first step is obtaining 'ilm. The second step is obtaining hikmah. The third step is starting with tawheed and shirk...taken from a lecture by Shaykh 'Abdul-Azeez bin 'Abdullaah bin Baaz now in book form-Important Lessons for the Muslim Ummah:
Tawheed (Faith in the Unity of All?h) is divided into three articles:

First, believing in the Oneness of All?h in the sense of His being the only Creator, Preserver, Nourisher,...etc. This belief is called Tawheed Ar-Ruboobeeyah.

Second, acknowledging that All?h alone is the One and Only true God who deserves to be worshipped and thus abstaining from worshipping any other being or thing. This belief is called Tawheed Al-Ulooheeyah.

Third, having faith and belief in the Oneness of All?h's Names and Attributes. This belief is called Tawheed Al-Asmaa was-Sifat.

As for Shirk (associating anything or anyone in worship with All?h), it is divided into three types:

First: Major Shirk (Ash Shirk Al Akbar) which All?h does not forgive. All?h says regarding Shirk:

"But if they had joined in worship others with All?h, all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them" (Qur'?n 6: 88).

"It is not for the Mushrikeen (polytheists) to maintain the Mosques of All?h (i.e. to pray and worship All?h therein, to looking after their cleanness and their building,...etc.), while they witness against their own-selves of disbelief. The works of such bear no fruit, and in fire shall they dwell." (Qur'?n 9:17).

The one who associate others with All?h and dies on this shirk will not be forgiven and Jannah (Paradise) is forbidden to him, as All?h, Most Mighty and Honored says:

"Verily, All?h forgives not that partners should be set up with Him in worship, but He forgives anything else, to whom He pleases; and whoever sets up partners with All?h in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin." (Qur'?n 4:48).

"Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with All?h, then All?h has forbidden the Jannah for him." (Qur'?n 5:72).

Asking the dead or idols for help, slaughtering for them and making vows for them are examples of this Shirk.

Second: Minor Shirk (Ash-Shirk Al-Asgar) which is stated in the Qur'?n or in the Prophet's tradition but is not the same as Major Shirk.

Riya (showing off) and swearing by other than All?h are examples of this kind of Shirk. Prophet Muhammad, salla All?h u alihi wa sallam, said:

"Of which I fear for you the most is Minor Shirk ".When he was asked what was it, he said, "Riya".

He, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, also said: "He who swears by anything other than All?h commits Minor shirk ".

The Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, also warned:

"Do not say: 'had All?h and such and such (person) willed', but say: 'had All?h then such and such (person) willed' ". This kind of Shirk does not necessarily lead to disbelief from Isl?m or an eternal stay in Hell. It negates, however, the completeness of faith.

The Third kind of shirk is the hidden Shirk.

Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, explained:

"Shall I not tell you of which I fear for you more than I fear of the Anti-Christ?" They said: "Yes, O Messenger of All?h", and he said, "The hidden Shirk, where one beautifies his way of praying only because another one is looking at him".

Alternatively, Shirk could be divided into two kinds:

Major and Minor. In this case, the Hidden Shirk encompasses both the Major and Minor kinds depending upon the act committed. It is Major if it is the same as the Shirk of the hypocrites who hide their false beliefs while showing off Isl?m out of fear. It is Minor if it is the same as Riya.#


Yes i too have read about the sahabas patience but if i recalled correctly they did not fight back because initially our Prophet did not receive any revelations to do so. But later, the revelations did come and that was how the various battles like Battle at Badr etc began and the muslims were told to ***combat them if they combat you** (sorry, offhand, i cannot remember which verses exactly to quote for reference...). I am not saying we should jump at the chance to engage in violent battles but are we suppose to also keep our mouths, eyes and emotions closed?

#No. We are supposed to fight physically is necessary, and we are supposed to open our mouths. But again like I said in the beginning of this blog, everything has to be done with 'ilm wa hikmah according to the Qur'an wa Sunnah which is 'ilm wa hikmah. Without using this, we are not calling to Allah, we are calling to ourselves and shaytaan. The problem is that most muslims born and raised muslim, or reverts (doesn't matter) do not know or want to know about this perfect deen. We let our desires rule us, and we let shaytaan and his tribe control us. This is why the muslims are not in a position to stop the kuffar from slandering this deen and our nabi SAWS. May Allah Ta'ala guide us back to the proper way and keep us there, purify our hearts with the Qur'an, and forgive us for sins; ameen.#



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Posted on Fri, Nov 17, 2006 18:56

ahhhhHHH dear sister, but the question is how did you approach these matters? I'm sure your approach wasn't whatever came to mind. I'm sure you thought about what you needed and how you needed to say it. I would like to believe that you thought about the matter and looked into it to see whether it was in accordance with the deen, so when you approached whoever needed approaching to change the problem you'd have proof for your position. All of that is using 'ilm with hikmah. This approach is supposed to be used with muslims and with non-muslims. Also your right about the muslims not fighting in the beginning due to their weakness. But your not putting into place the fact that even with our great numbers today that the muslims are weak due to the fact that we are not sticking with the qur'an and sunnah. This was said by an nabi SAWS, and Allah and His Messenger do not lie. Our problem world wide is that we do not stick to this perfect deen. Just look at all of the protest by muslims and things of that nature. Non of that is part of this deen. Look how muslims are turning to the united nations to protect this religion instead of turning to Allah for His help. That is not from this deen either. So how do we advice these misguided muslims?...the same way that first group of misguided muslims was set aright, with people of knowledge (who have hikmah). We as lay people can study this deen with their help, and spread what is right and what is wrong with their books and tapes on the Qur'an and Sunnah. The first principle of Thalatha ul sul is: knowledge proceeds speech and action. Inshallah I'll read the other replys later...it's been a long 2 weeks, I need the sleep. As salaamu alaikum



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Posted on Thu, Nov 09, 2006 03:16

Asalam Alaikum Sister fatima,

Well its just proven exactly my point if you read further on in the responses ive given you,you would see ive said again that a comment or oppinion or a verbal response is permitted.Commonsense tells us of course we can defend our cause no doubt nor a debateable issue,so true.
Its how you go about it.Im sure certain things can make you angry and im very sure when you approached the authorities to have certain things change to benefit the works of islam you were firm but polite.
Calm down means do lose your head over the stupid comments that are a broad about us and what we believbe in if we get upset and retaliate we are just as bad as them.As Alla suppunna wata Alla has said many times that he see's all hears all and will judge upon best he weighs fit.Im sure if you allowed him to prevail on your behakf just for one chance on something in the past you would of said something im very confident indeed you would of seen some one else or even himself prevail the message to them what is right and what is wrong.Faith thats what it means to believe in allowing something even greater to work along side us support us and feed us cloth us and to keep us safe always.
There are much better ways on dealing with erattic sitsuations.As Baqi has brought up several situations on our how Nabi SAW was at the worst of times very very calm indeed.Isnt that what we must follow the ways of our NABI SAW and the Quran.
My way of teaching is based on reading from the Quran and other literature realted to the walkings and experiences of our NABI SAW.
Then Life itself,personal Experiences and most of all commonsense.
Im sure if you read the title you would of fully understood my message as a child thats screaming its head off your not going to scream back at it to find out whats really wrong are you?
No.....Atleast i wouldnt anyway...



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Posted on Wed, Nov 08, 2006 05:47

**but your mannerism against the haqq is not good**

I now feel embarassed to have commented in the first place when what i should have been doing was correcting my haqq.

**This weakness comes from our lack of sticking to the Qur'an wa Sunnah**

I had believed that a saying from our Prophet was a SUNNAH, so i merely quoted his saying that "When you see an evil action, try to stop it with your hand, tongue or heart." So when told not to engage in verbal conflicts, i was wondered what it meant **to stop the action with your TONGUE**?

**your responding with your emotions instead of opening up the Qur'an and books of sunnah to see**

Emotions? Must admit i do have emotions and emotions were what triggered my love for Islam to the point that i was willing to give up an unhibited lifestyle, support and love from my family and career advancement that was earmarked for me had i complied with the company's rules.

Then to be told that i should in addition remain silent when muslims are regarded unkindly... i feel so handicapped that we canot even engage in the slightest form of defence such as verbal conflict..?

To do so only when i am supposed to have ilm and hikmah, would mean i should forever remain silent henceforth, because i fear arrogance to even think i will ever posses these qualities. I know i just have strong emotions and faith in Islam and eagerness to share my discovery.

From personal situations, if i had just remained patient, the muslim boys in a secular school would still be unable to have time off for friday prayers; the muslim girls had to wear swimsuits and shorts for compulsory swimming/physical trainings instead of now being exempted from the former and wearing slacks for the latter. I was not a religious scholar when i confronted the school authorities. I just had strong emotions...

I believed Islam to be a religion changing with time, and times have changed much today against us muslims...



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Posted on Wed, Nov 08, 2006 02:50

baqi9 wrote:*** We stop where they stopped.***

But do they ever stop???

*** your responding with your emotions instead of opening up the Qur'an and books of sunnah to see if what I'm saying is correct. Until you do that, nothing I say will seem correct to you. We can argue up until one of us dies, but we can't argue with the haqq, which is the Qur'an wa SunnahUntil you do that, nothing I say will seem correct to you. We can argue up until one of us dies, but we can't argue with the haqq, which is the Qur'an wa Sunnah.****

Gosh, you are already throwing in the towel and i was hoping u would continue to convince me otherwise ..lol. If someone had given me the same attitude and just told me ...Go open up the quran and sunnah and read for yourself, i think i would still have not reverted today.

Perhaps we were relating to different peoples here. I was refering to whether we should respond to non muslims and those non practising muslims or do we just adopt the attitude "it's your life to live as u please, so you dig your own grave...."

How do we ask them to open the quran and sunnah when in the first place they do not believe in their existence? And in today's world if those they interact with do not bother to inform them about Islam, then they will go on believing whatever they get from the media, which unforutunately is not exactly kind to the mulsim interests.

Yes i too have read about the sahabas patience but if i recalled correctly they did not fight back because initially our Prophet did not receive any revelations to do so. But later, the revelations did come and that was how the various battles like Battle at Badr etc began and the muslims were told to ***combat them if they combat you** (sorry, offhand, i cannot remember which verses exactly to quote for reference...). I am not saying we should jump at the chance to engage in violent battles but are we suppose to also keep our mouths, eyes and emotions closed?



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Posted on Tue, Nov 07, 2006 03:54

Asalam Alaikum Baqi,
Yes indeed your rite my brother its good advice to follow and listen to our prophets and the Quran to deal with sitsuations that may arise.
As i said to fatima in her response its haram to hurt your self whether its mentally or physically,And i can tell you from experience Being a australian revert(non traditional muslim) im looked ta here to be a coward and a traitor following the other side.As yes for 17 years of my life i was loved and cherished as one of them i then reverted then all of that turned up side down.Now yes im very very happy indeed i reverted Humdulai.But the amount of pain and anguish out there as it is you can either create further turmoil or to be steadfast to and focus on the 5 pillars.Yes ive been in various debates but one thing is certain alla sappanna wata ala has said to us many times over in the Quran About being Subr(Patient)I can also say aswell our Prophet Muhhummad SAW has also said ''If you have nothing to say that is pleasent do not say it''See as we can also say as the bewlievers of today there were many books that came out representing on what the Prophets had said and done.But one thing that is certain in all the messages isCommonsense And patience that Alla will prevail upon those who show steadfast in my teachings.As he has indeed not only rewarded those but also destroyed the ones who went the other way.So Baqi your right we could stand here debating several issues but the one thing that cannot be debated is what we trully believe in as i hope we believe in the same things inshalla but only alla will know.Ive asked many teachers in myu time why is Isse coming back and what will he do when he gets here.
Well that also should explain to you also where my veiws are coming from as Isse will bring those together that has been willed And for those who are against him will be defeated.
So instead of hurting your head over viscous comments we all recieve daily 'Smirk grin turn your back Humdulia im muslim



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Posted on Tue, Nov 07, 2006 03:40

Asalam Aliakum Fatima,

Firstly i would like to appoligize as my message obviously wasnt clear enough,As to Reactions whether its Verbal or Violence its mentioned in the quaran and also by many scholars of islam that its haram i hurting yourself.
Pain can be experienced not only physically but also mentally through the every day taunts that the unbelievers do everyday to push us astray from the ultimate goal.
With what you mentioned about employment unfortunately in alot of jobs we love doing the most are reigned by the non believers and yes they would prefer there own to work and have a life instead of muslims.Living here in australia trust me im very aware of this but there is one thing you must understand that you have to eat and survive so if you have to take your hajab off to do this so be it.Alla sappanna wata alla see's all and hears all som in sure if you search hard enough he will grant you a job of interest where you can wear the hajab but if he provides something to you that doesnt allow it obviously he' s telling you through will that its ok.As alla will alls things,even getting a job also.
Finally verbally well let me say this as our mufti here in australia just recently made headlines in saying a comment that was directed at the women of this country that choose not toi cover up and blatently encourage infedality.As i have recieved many many comments upon what some one else has said.Now yes i defended also his comments as i do understand where he was coming from.But obviously the ones who didnt understand obviously were not the chosens ones.Islam is growing to great heights here in australia and for that the Majority are getting worried as reality is sinking in here that islam may rule australia Inshalla one day.
As it did upset me and yes hurt me defending our mufti comments so the next person who again wanted a deabte about the issue i said to them hey do you believe in islam?They reply no ,I then saud awe well you dont need to worry.Easy done



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Posted on Mon, Nov 06, 2006 09:20

Asalam alaikum Fatima

Thanks for reading my post,
Well its great to hear that you had tested your own knowledge as its there to be tested,Alla sappanna wata alla Challenge all who can think they can rewrite the Quran,As till this day no one has even come close.
If quite funny u mentioned you originally was defiant as i came also from the christian faith and boy did i give them something to think about.
But see thats the thing up and till a stage in where alla sappanaa wata alla allowed all 3 religions to be chosen once they went astray it was only right that islam was the chosen religion as it hadnt changed.I say to Chirstians and jew why did you stray away from the original religions that were handed down by Isse PBUH and Moses PBUH?
They reply as the religion had to change with the times to suit the needs of the day.Quite interesting as the Quran from day one has been written to suit from the day it came out up and till now suppana alla.

Asalam Alaikum



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Posted on Mon, Nov 06, 2006 05:23

?bagi9 wrote: This is true, but it supposed to be done by those that not only have the ability, but the 'ilm and hikmah

1) When the Prophet (pbuh) said: ***When you see an evil action, try to stop it with your hand, tongue or heart**, i was not aware that he was addressing this ONLY to the 'ilm and
hikmah'. I thought he addressed it to all muslims. Please forgive my lack of proper knowledge....... ?

If we study the sirah of an nabi SAWS we find that he SAWS taught people with 'ilm and himah. If we as muslims are truly following an nabi SAWS then we can only go by his SAWS example as did the sahaabah RA. This requires 'ilm wa hikmah. It is nothing to scuff at sister, this is part of our deen.

?2) So it is no wonder and blame that enough is not done to help oppressed muslim brothers and sisters around the world because most are perhaps humbly waiting for others with 'ilm and hikmah' to do something.?

This statement shows that your heart is truly hurting for the believers sister, but your mannerism against the haqq is not good. You talk about those that are oppressed...what about the examples of the sahaabah being oppressed? Like I said before, we have the perfect example to follow, we just have to bite down upon the Qur'an wa Sunnah and do it. Do you remember when the muslims were weak in Makkah? Sahaabah were being killed, not just oppressed and hungery. Sorry but the name escapes me at the moment...but this sahaabah was beaten tortured and had his mother killed in front of him. When he went to an nabi SAWS he was told to have sabr. I think that sometimes we muslims forget that we were told that the muslims would be great in number yet weak. This weakness comes from our lack of sticking to the Qur'an wa Sunnah. So sister my suggestion to myself you and others is to think about what an nabi SAWS said and did. What the sahaabah said and did. And the what the two generations after them said and did. Because this is where we are supposed to get our deen from. Our solution is the same as was for them, Qur'an wa Sunnah.

?3) And we should also now tolerate unislamic inclinations when we witness them because it would amount to arrogance to claim that we possess 'ilm and hikmah' to advise our mulsim relatives or friends against such evil actions as abusing or scolding their parents, fornications in public, or to defend ourselves against discrimination by non muslims or defend our Prophet (pbuh) when he is being labelled as a propogator of violence and a sex maniac!!?

With what I said before and will say again if you did not understand it the first 2 times...Advice should be given by those with 'ilm wa hikmah. That does not mean that one has to be among the ulemaa, but it does mean that you should know how to give advice and when to give advice. Nothing you've said thus far goes against what I've been saying, your responding with your emotions instead of opening up the Qur'an and books of sunnah to see if what I'm saying is correct. Until you do that, nothing I say will seem correct to you. We can argue up until one of us dies, but we can't argue with the haqq, which is the Qur'an wa Sunnah.

?How do we then react or handle some of the uninvited situations because it is said that ***if we choose to voice out our oppinions on what other people are doing wheather its right or wrong we all all performing judgement....****??

As muslims we say what Allah and His messenger SAWS said. We say the the companions said. We say what the 2 generations of muslims after them said. We do what they did. We stop where they stopped. This is for those who truly love Allah wa His messenger SAWS. If that is not good enough for me, you, or anybody else, then exactly who do we say that we are truly following? Because it is not those who we were ordered to follow by Allah wa Muhammad SAWS. If that is the case then we are following shaytaan and our ownselves, and may Allah protect us from that, ameen.



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Posted on Mon, Nov 06, 2006 01:39

dreycius wrote: ***To teach others means ones who want to be taught not ones who are defiant***

Just wanted to mention that i was someone who was very defiant about islam. I was not one who wanted to be taught. In fact i wanted to teach them christianity!!

I was rather "notorious" with several teachers in the islamic classes for the many arguments i posed till the point that on the day i returned to the centre, one of the teachers still remembered me and cried when i took my shahadah! I teased him asking if the tears he shed was one of happiness or relieve and he replied it must be both!

I must say i am forever grateful to all the teachers and muslim brothers and sisters who did not give up on me because i was defiant and refused to be taught at that time.....



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Posted on Mon, Nov 06, 2006 01:18

bagi9 wrote: This is true, but it supposed to be done by those that not only have the ability, but the 'ilm and hikmah

1) When the Prophet (pbuh) said: ***When you see an evil action, try to stop it with your hand, tongue or heart**, i was not aware that he was addressing this ONLY to the 'ilm and
hikmah'. I thought he addressed it to all muslims. Please forgive my lack of proper knowledge.......

2) So it is no wonder and blame that enough is not done to help oppressed muslim brothers and sisters around the world because most are perhaps humbly waiting for others with 'ilm and hikmah' to do something.

3) And we should also now tolerate unislamic inclinations when we witness them because it would amount to arrogance to claim that we possess 'ilm and hikmah' to advise our mulsim relatives or friends against such evil actions as abusing or scolding their parents, fornications in public, or to defend ourselves against discrimination by non muslims or defend our Prophet (pbuh) when he is being labelled as a propogator of violence and a sex maniac!!

How do we then react or handle some of the uninvited situations because it is said that ***if we choose to voice out our oppinions on what other people are doing wheather its right or wrong we all all performing judgement....****?



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Posted on Mon, Nov 06, 2006 00:47

Waalykum salm wr. wb.br. dreycius

Quote: ***im saying that we should only need to defend oursleves with physical Conflict not verbal****

The reason i quoted the saying is because u mentioned that we should only defend ourselves with physical conflict NOT VERBAL.

However in everyday life, it is the verbal conflicts that affect our lives more frequently.

Perhaps you have not had the experience whereby:

1) You already have a stable job and when u reverted n decided to wear the hijab, the boss tells u: Your hijab scares our clients away.....Either the hijab goes or your job??

2) Or in a job interview: You seem to have the right qualifications but you are a Muslim, are you sure you will be able to handle the job as efficiently as non mulsims because u muslims have unimaginable do's and don'ts???

3) Or u are checking out an eating outlet and told: There is no pork or lard served here so why u muslims are so petty and still cannot eat? U make your own lives difficult!!

These are verble accusations and reactions some of us mulsims encounter....In such cirsumstances, you are suggesting i should comment ***in a humble matter not agressive or turn our backs on them,simple***

Simple? Yep, simple..... for eventually in my case
1) I quit my high paying managerial post

2) I did not get the job in the interview even though i had the qualifictions and know i am right for the job.....

3) I ended up eating bread and butter for dinner because it was already late and could not find any halal stores nearby....

I too prefer peaceful confrontations rather than violent reactions, but to suggest that we do not even defend ourselves VERBALLY, i think i need to live a hermit's life.....



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Posted on Sun, Nov 05, 2006 15:39

Asalam aliakum Baqi

Fisrtly i would like to thank you for taking the time out reading this post.
As to what you have said im sure we both could come up with even more examples of our Prophet(SAW)MuhummadPBUH where he has been very gentle on dealing with variuos sitsuations.
But one thing is certain that we live in the Twenteth century now which sitsuations have now become much harder as its now more of a spot light issue when muslims take a stand on certain iussues.As we all know Isse PBUH will return and bring order to all walks of life.In saying this it will give us more reason to focus upon the basics of islam our 5 pillars.
To believe in Alla is the only god and muhummad is the messenger
Well to believe is to show actions and intentions to believe one is the judge over all things is to also allow him to make the judgements over all things.
Praying 5 times a day well as we know can be rather difficult as this day in age sometimes makes it very difficult in being on time however inshalla we can prioritize our time much better to make this happen,
Zakat well thats pretty straight forward giving upon what we have not only in wealth but knowledge,
Fasting ,Something i look forward to every ramadan well one word is fairly to say adequate in suming that up ''Sacrifice''
And finally to visit Mecca once in our life time.If we can afford in doing so..
If we can afford ,a very interesting point but not only for this pillar but for islam itself.
As we know we compete with one another to reach the top in what we believe in and what we want out of out of our after life.I feel with the general message i was outlining can we really afford to be waisting time on peoples of the wrath,The forgotten,The ignorant where out time can be better spent teaching others and improving ourselves?To teach others means ones who want to be taught not ones who are defiant.
Asalam Aliakum



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Posted on Sat, Nov 04, 2006 04:16

fatima22 write:
Quote: ******Im not and i repeat im not saying we should not defend oursleves but im saying that we should only need to defend oursleves with physical Conflict not verbal... *****


A member aptly contributed the following:


ABOUT EVIL
The Sayings of the Prophet,
When you see an evil action, try to stop it with your hand, tongue or heart.

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This is true, but it supposed to be done by those that not only have the ability, but the 'ilm and hikmah. As the world can see this factor isn't being applied. Example: Remember the beaduian that came into the masjid and peed in the masjid? Remember who the sahabaah were going to handle this? They were all admonished for being hard on the people who were ignorant. Look at how an nabi SAWS handled that situation. Now compare that to any of the situations where he SAWS dealt with kufr. See the gentleness in his SAWS approach? Mind you that these people wanted him SAWS dead, and he SAWS was still gentle, kind, and justin dealing all of them.
Why do muslims not take the advice of Allah Ta'ala and follow this perfect example for mankind? I'm speaking to myself first and then the rest of the muslims.



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Posted on Fri, Nov 03, 2006 05:24

Asalam Aliakum sister fatima
Firstly i would like to thank you for reading my post.
I have read this before but it also says the blind deaf ignorant and arogant will never get it.SO concentrate on your path as they will try to stear you off it.

The general message in this post was to encourage our brothers and sisters to be more steadfast in what we do day to day as alla see's all and hears all,yes we do get rewarded for trying to stop evil however commonsense will also tell you you will never stop evil as its apart of life.but one thing we can do is to work through it by yes either commenting in a humble matter not agressive or turn our backs on them,simple.
For using our hands well once again Our Prophet Muhummad PBUH,has clearly shown us in many instances where even when the hand was warranted he still chose to speak his way through it.Huge example
When he went to Mecca for the first time...
Was actually nearly killed but did not retaliate but only with words.
Ive heard many times that ''Words are stronger then the sword well,in this case indeed they are.

Asalam alaikum



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Posted on Thu, Nov 02, 2006 22:47

Quote: ******Im not and i repeat im not saying we should not defend oursleves but im saying that we should only need to defend oursleves with physical Conflict not verbal... *****


A member aptly contributed the following:


ABOUT EVIL
The Sayings of the Prophet,
When you see an evil action, try to stop it with your hand, tongue or heart.



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